Utopia Talk / Politics / RIP to a true patriot

Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 12:25:06 Japanese WWII soldier who hid in jungle for 29 years dies Rob Quinn, Newser 12:09 p.m. EST January 17, 2014 Former Japanese Imperial Army soldier Hiroo Onoda has died at the age of 91 — roughly 40 years after he stopped fighting World War II. Onoda, the last Japanese soldier to surrender, hid out in the jungles of the Philippines for almost 30 years after 1945, only coming out of hiding in 1974. The straggler formally surrendered — still wearing his uniform — to Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos after his former commander flew out to rescind his 1945 order that Onoda stay there and spy on American forces, the AP reports. The New York Times reports that Onoda was with three comrades on Lubang Island when the war ended; believing leaflets attesting to the war's end to be Allied propaganda, they lived off bananas, coconuts, stolen rice, and cows they killed, and constructed bamboo huts. One of the men surrendered five years later; the others were shot and killed by police, the last just two years before Onoda emerged. The Guardian reports that he "wept uncontrollably" when he eventually gave up his rifle — still "perfectly serviceable" after all those years, and one he may have used to kill as many as 30 locals that he mistook for enemies. A Japanese government spokesman praised Onoda for his unbreakable spirit: "After World War II, Mr. Onoda lived in the jungle for many years and when he returned to Japan, I felt that finally, the war was finished. That's how I felt." After the war finally ended for him, Onoda bought a ranch in Brazil before returning to Japan to run a children's nature school. "I don't consider those 30 years a waste of time," he said in a 1995 interview. "Without that experience, I wouldn't have my life today." http://www...d-war-ii-soldier-dies/4580891/
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 12:27:38 poor bastard
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 17 12:29:28 "and one he may have used to kill as many as 30 locals that he mistook for enemies." lets just gloss over that part...
pillz Member	Fri Jan 17 12:32:21 That is pretty badass.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 12:34:22 Onoda trained as an intelligence officer in the commando class "Futamata" (二俣分校, futamata-bunkō?) of Nakano School. On December 26, 1944, he was sent to Lubang Island in the Philippines.[5] He was ordered to do all he could to hamper enemy attacks on the island, including destroying the airstrip and the pier at the harbor. Onoda's orders also stated that under no circumstances was he to surrender or take his own life. When he landed on the island, Onoda joined forces with a group of Japanese soldiers who had been sent there previously. The officers in the group outranked Onoda and prevented him from carrying out his assignment, which made it easier for United States and Philippine Commonwealth forces to take the island when they landed on February 28, 1945. Within a short time of the landing, all but Onoda and three other soldiers had either died or surrendered and Onoda, who had been promoted to lieutenant, ordered the men to take to the hills. Time in hiding[edit]Onoda continued his campaign as a Japanese holdout, initially living in the mountains with three fellow soldiers (Private Yūichi Akatsu, Corporal Shōichi Shimada and Private First Class Kinshichi Kozuka). During his stay, Onoda and his companions carried out guerrilla activities, killed some 30 Filipino inhabitants of the island, and engaged in several shootouts with the police. The first time they saw a leaflet which claimed that the war was over was in October 1945; another cell had killed a cow and found a leaflet left behind by islanders which read: "The war ended on August 15. Come down from the mountains!"[6] However, they mistrusted the leaflet, because another cell had been fired upon a few days previously. They concluded that the leaflet was Allied propaganda, and also believed that they would not have been fired on if the war had indeed been over. Toward the end of 1945, leaflets were dropped by air with a surrender order printed on them from General Tomoyuki Yamashita of the Fourteenth Area Army. They had been in hiding for over a year, and this leaflet was the only evidence they had the war was over. Onoda's group looked very closely at the leaflet to determine whether it was genuine, and decided it was not. One of the four, Yuichi Akatsu, walked away from the others in September 1949 and surrendered to Filipino forces in 1950 after six months on his own. This seemed like a security problem to the others and they became even more careful. In 1952 letters and family pictures were dropped from aircraft urging them to surrender, but the three soldiers concluded that this was a trick. Shimada was shot in the leg during a shoot-out with local fishermen in June 1953, after which Onoda nursed him back to health. On May 7, 1954, Shimada was killed by a shot fired by a search party looking for the men. Kozuka was killed by two shots fired by local police on October 19, 1972, when he and Onoda, as part of their guerrilla activities, were burning rice that had been collected by farmers. Onoda was now alone. Though Onoda had been officially declared dead in December 1959, this event suggested that it was likely he was still alive and search parties were sent out, but did not find him. On February 20, 1974, Onoda met a Japanese man, Norio Suzuki, who was traveling around the world, looking for "Lieutenant Onoda, a panda, and the Abominable Snowman, in that order".[4] Suzuki found Onoda after four days of searching. Onoda described this moment in a 2010 interview: "This hippie boy Suzuki came to the island to listen to the feelings of a Japanese soldier. Suzuki asked me why I would not come out..."[1] Onoda and Suzuki became friends, but Onoda still refused to surrender, saying that he was waiting for orders from a superior officer. Suzuki returned to Japan with photographs of himself and Onoda as proof of their encounter, and the Japanese government located Onoda's commanding officer, Major Yoshimi Taniguchi, who had since become a bookseller. He flew to Lubang where on March 9, 1974, he finally met with Onoda and fulfilled the promise made in 1944, "Whatever happens, we'll come back for you," by issuing him the following orders: 1. In accordance with the Imperial command, the Fourteenth Area Army has ceased all combat activity. 2. In accordance with military Headquarters Command No. A-2003, the Special Squadron of Staff's Headquarters is relieved of all military duties. 3. Units and individuals under the command of Special Squadron are to cease military activities and operations immediately and place themselves under the command of the nearest superior officer. When no officer can be found, they are to communicate with the American or Philippine forces and follow their directives. Onoda was thus properly relieved of duty, and he surrendered. He turned over his sword, his functioning Arisaka Type 99 rifle, 500 rounds of ammunition and several hand grenades, as well as the dagger his mother had given him in 1944 for protection. Only private Teruo Nakamura, arrested on 18 December 1974, held out for longer. Though he had killed people and engaged in shootouts with the police, the circumstances were taken into consideration, and Onoda received a pardon from President Ferdinand Marcos.[7] -Wikipedia
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 12:38:06 hey listen Rugian, if this was an american veteran, would you have said the same glowing things about him? I think you would have trashed the welfare-gobbling baby killer, celebrated his demise and demanded a solid cut in military pensions.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 12:39:58 ^trawling for an argument. Unsuccessfully so far, I might add.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Jan 17 12:41:57 http://www...amikaze-jan-19-1975_shortfilms
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 12:43:19 You don't have to answer, this is unimportant. For some reason I remembered all the trashing you usually give to US military members and defenders. But you were just trolling aeros.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 12:48:20 I know right, because the modern American soldier and a Japanese soldier in 1944 were totally in similar circumstances, amirite? Never mind, you're still trawling. Go harass your good buddy or something.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 12:53:50 "I know right, because the modern American soldier and a Japanese soldier in 1944 were totally in similar circumstances, amirite? " I don't know, I remember you describing joining the military as something you don't approve of, because it involves invading countries based on false pretenses and massacring women and children in their villages. (I believe japanese soldiers in 1944 strongly qualify) You also said that founding fathers abhorred the concept of a strong central army, given that such a thing was viewed as an instrument of tyranny. So your contempt was both general and specific for US military. Would you like me to post the thread url?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 14:18:05 Oh snap, why don't you just call his sister a whore while you are at it?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 14:25:57 I respect Rugian, while frequently disagreeing with his conservative attitude.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 14:28:09 I try to disrespect Rugian every chance I get, but I do agree with some of his conservative attitude.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 14:29:04 Name one fuckin thing from Rugian conservative attitude that you agree with, Nim.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 14:29:59 Oh crap, the gig is up! *runs hastily away*
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jan 17 14:30:50 *distant echoes of footsteps*
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 14:31:31 I knew it!!!
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 17 14:40:40 Yeah, he murdered 30 civilians and didn't face jail time for it.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jan 17 14:52:24 Rugian is pretty flagrantly hypocritical, but ya this guy is a BAMF.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 14:54:29 earthpig GTFO HOer Fri Jan 17 14:52:24 Rugian is pretty flagrantly hypocritical, How? If you're going to claim that there's no difference between an American who enlists in 2013 and a Japanese who enlisted in 1944, you're absolutely insane.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 14:58:31 American who in enlists in 2013? You were talking about ANYONE who enlists.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 14:59:59 ^okay, that I WOULD like a link for.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:01:12 "I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers didn't think that people should be required to join a central army that would be routinely deployed overseas to conduct some imperialist adventures that have little to nothing to do with protecting the Republic. In fact, I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers abhorred the concept of a strong central army, given that such a thing was viewed as an instrument of tyranny. So yeah, I've heard of DUTY, but joining the Army is certainly not a duty that I have" Sounds familiar?
earthpig GTFO HOer	Fri Jan 17 15:02:06 CR pretty much covered it, rugian.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:02:16 What does that have to do with enlisting, exactly?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:04:11 "Joining the army is certainly NOT a duty that I have ", and yet the jap is a true patriot. Hmm. Maybe he was just a freeloading idiot, not a true patriot?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:04:51 How about this one, from the same thread? Rubin - "Why is it a bad thing to have never joined the military? Oh noes, I didn't invade a country based on false pretenses and massacre women and children in their villages! My life is meaningless!"
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:05:24 I think you described the jap patriot flawlessly, Rugian,
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:05:46 He did not enlist. He was conscripted.
Ork Member	Fri Jan 17 15:06:41 Rugina is a special type of stupid. Reading his posts makes me very happy to know that his whacked out libertarianism will never get to make decisions in our country.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:08:17 Fuckin norweg.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:10:03 I was going for the kill and this nuance is going to ruin it all. I will get you for it, jergul.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:12:25 CrownRoyal Member Fri Jan 17 15:04:11 "Joining the army is certainly NOT a duty that I have ", Certainly not. "and yet the jap is a true patriot." Just because you don't have a duty to enlist doesn't mean that it's not patriotic in certain circumstances, like, say, if your home country is being directly threatened with invasion and firebombing. "Maybe he was just a freeloading idiot, not a true patriot?" I doubt he was collecting a paycheck while he was in the jungle. Although I suppose you could count his pillaging activities as revenues, so you got me there. "How about this one, from the same thread? Rubin - "Why is it a bad thing to have never joined the military? Oh noes, I didn't invade a country based on false pretenses and massacre women and children in their villages! My life is meaningless!"" That quote clearly relates to the modern era, in the period where I was of enlistment age. It's not supposed to cover every single time period and circumstance ever.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:14:47 "That quote clearly relates to the modern era, in the period where I was of enlistment age." It does, true Japanese patriots did massacre women and children in their villages.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:17:37 "Just because you don't have a duty to enlist doesn't mean that it's not patriotic in certain circumstances," Well, when you berate US military personally in UP, how do you know that they weren't patriotic? You should make threads like this one, for them.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Jan 17 15:17:55 CrownRoyal Member Fri Jan 17 15:04:11 "Joining the army is certainly NOT a duty that I have ", That is because you are too chickenshit and you would rather hide out on this forum and insult those who have served their country. In other words, your betters.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:18:51 We should continue this thread under the assumption that the guy was enlisted. Also, assuming jergul is correct, Wikipedia lied to me, those fucking assholes. "It does, true Japanese patriots did massacre women and children in their villages." Certainly. And if you were a Japanese enlistee in 1930s China, going around raping women and children, you were a fucking asshole. I think there is a major difference between the two though, just as there was between an SS officer who participated in the invasion of the USSR, vs the guy trying to protect his hometown from murdering and raping Russian soldiers.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:19:39 Rod, baby, that was me quoting. A nap, perhaps?
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:20:39 "Well, when you berate US military personally in UP, how do you know that they weren't patriotic? You should make threads like this one, for them." They weren't. Has the US been under material threat from another country in EP's or Aeros' lifetimes, ever? No, they didn't sign up to participate in some valiant effort to protect America from being overrun and destroyed by the communist menace. They signed up for the paycheck, and maybe because a stint in the Army is "fun."
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:25:43 This is just your opinion. Both on UP military posters and on the late mikado soldier from the OP. The truth is you have no idea on what their convictions were. Hence, the charges of inconsistency stand.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:28:38 I actually have a pretty clear picture of what the rationale of UP's military members were, especially since they've explained in varying amounts of detail in the past. And yes, we don't know what Onada was thinking when he "enlisted" in 1944, but I'm guessing at that point, it wasn't to go around raping Chinese peasants in Nanking.
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:29:15 Wiki says he "was enlisted" Not that he enlisted. Also, he obviously did not do it for the benefits "Salaries and pensions for Imperial soldiers and sailors were very low by Western standards. On the eve of the Second World War, the yen had a value of $0.23.[45] No true exchange rate existed for the yen during the war years, and wartime inflation reduced the yen to a fraction of its pre-war value.[46] Officer cadets were paid a yearly salary of ¥670 ($154.10 in 1941 dollars). Second lieutenants were paid ¥850 yearly ($195.50), lieutenants ¥1020-1130 ($234.60-259.90) and captains ¥1470-1900 ($338.10-437). Majors were paid ¥2330 yearly ($535.90), lieutenant-colonels ¥3220 ($740.60) and colonels ¥4150 ($954.60). Major-generals were paid ¥5000 yearly ($1150), lieutenant-generals ¥5800 ($1334) and full generals ¥6600 ($1518"
jergul large member	Fri Jan 17 15:30:46 For reference: a wwii US airforce captain on combat duty was paid 400 dollars a month.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:31:50 Guessing is the right word, I'd say. As for the you knowing that UP military posters lack patriotism, did they actually say it?
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:37:39 Aeros Member Fri Nov 12 14:50:30 "hence the army. lol." Hey, people don't join the Army because they have alot of options. I will freely admit it. They whipped me into shape though. http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=40032 He's said more on the matter, but this was the first google result I got. Truly the attitude of a man who enlists out of a deep desire to defend his country from the invading barbarian hordes.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:41:50 Although again, I don't even need the words to come from their mouths on the subject, because the simple fact is the United States has not been in a serious life-or-death struggle with another country in any of our lifetimes.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:45:50 "Truly the attitude of a man who enlists out of a deep desire to defend his country from the invading barbarian hordes." I don't see any evidence that he lacks that attitude, nit in that thread. He also has other interests, but that is irrelevant. Especially since you admit that you have no idea about the "true patriot" interets.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:48:18 "because the simple fact is the United States has not been in a serious life-or-death struggle with another country in any of our lifetimes" Is that the only time you can be a patriot? What if you are drafted, like the norweg whaler said? Despite the life-or-death struggle, the "true patriot" did not volunteer, he was enlisted, reportedly.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:48:52 Right. The guy pretty much states that he joined the Army because he couldn't get a better job and wanted the pay, but that's not enough for CrownRoyal, whose standard of evidence is apparently beyond reasonable doubt^2. Got it.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:50:49 The evidence you should be presenting is that he lacks patriotism, not anything else. So far, I don't see that evidence. I am not asking for anything unfair, just the same evidence as you used to call the jap a true patriot.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:55:30 "Is that the only time you can be a patriot?" I don't see why it is otherwise patriotic to join a military force. In my opinion, it is patriotic to sign up to defend your country when it is faced with some serious threat. Simply joining the military in the middle of peacetime, or, even worse, when it is deployed solely in some offensive war that had nothing to do with national security, is not patriotic. "What if you are drafted, like the norweg whaler said?" Depends on the circumstances, and what you do during your draft service. Certainly not every draftee is a patriot, but it's not an automatic disqualifier either. Onada was a draftee who could have surrendered the moment he first saw an Allied patrol, but he instead decided to obey his orders to defend his territory, and held to that mission long after he needed to.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 15:58:10 I know that it is all "in your opinion" and "depending on circumstances". Does it mean you have no evidence that UP military posters are not the true patriots, unlike the OP dude? (even though you have no clue about who he was or what he thought)
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 15:59:53 I provided my evidence. Feel free to provide yours that A) the United States was being threatened to the point where our independence, territory, and/or way of life was in serious jeopardy, and B) Aeros and EP joined the military out of some great desire to defend us against said threat.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 16:02:55 "I provided my evidence" You provided zero evidence of the UP military posters lack of true patriotism. I'm not sure how it is possible, since you have no idea how or why the Japanese guy felt, and his feeling is what you need to know, to compare.
Rugian Member	Fri Jan 17 16:03:17 Generally speaking, when a person joins the Army because he's afraid that the Russians are about to capitalize on their threats to invade and annex California, they generally say so when asked about their reasons to join, instead of "because my grades sucked and I had few other options, lol."
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 16:04:39 "Generally" is as convincing as "in my opinion" or "depending on circumstances".
WilliamTheBastard Member	Fri Jan 17 16:11:06 RIP to a true parrot http://far...48/3768529158_c3aede9831_o.jpg
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 16:11:24 You should say - "this was a nice, amusing story about the late Japanese soldier, that I posted. Now, I have no idea about if he was a patriot or not, and it is not important. It was just a fun thread title. In the past, I repeatedly claimed that some people in US joined the army for some financial benefits, something that I, as a fiscal conservative, dislike. But it wasn't really about their patriotism, I was just trying to prove my point, just like every poster here usually does." I would say that.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Jan 17 16:30:33 cr - Rod, baby, that was me quoting. So it was, doesn't change my response though.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Jan 17 16:32:04 That's why I suggested a nap, bud.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Jan 17 16:36:51 As for the subject of the thread, he followed orders until they were reversed. Make what you want of that.
Hip Member	Fri Jan 17 16:57:43 Sounds like this guy was a massive fucking idiot to me.
murder Member	Fri Jan 17 16:58:06 "lets just gloss over that part..." War is hell.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jan 18 05:39:44 Why would you make such broad and sweeping statements if the first place, Rugian?
McKobb Member	Sat Jan 18 06:08:25 "duty is heavier than a mountain; death is lighter than a feather." He carried that mountain of duty for decades.
Rugian Member	Sat Jan 18 10:01:17 After re-reading this thread, CR is nothing more than a fucking troll. Yeah, I proved my point, he just rejects evidence "because." What a worthless POS.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 10:11:13 He is that and a fool to boot.
TJ Member	Sat Jan 18 11:55:32 That man was an authentic survivalist. I'm wondering if he suffered from what we call PTSD today, and if so, how much it contributed to his overall experience all those years. R.I.P. Hiroo Onoda.
pillz Member	Sat Jan 18 14:15:20 I bet no US soldier could survive in a Philippine jungle for 39 years.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 15:10:24 Some could, depends on the man.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sat Jan 18 15:21:16 http://ter...inal-lance-96-not-survivormen/
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 15:30:40 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091191/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 16:48:25 Sounded like an idiot. Fight the good fight after 30 years? Moron.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 17:11:22 dickhead, you can never understand the word DUTY.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 17:25:40 Rod, war was over. It was OVER. There was no duty to be had.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 17:32:12 He had not received orders from his commanding officer to lay down his weapon because the war was over, If you knew anything of the Japanese mind you would understand that. You forget, they were a people that would gladly drink a cup of saki and go fly their plane into an American Cruiser.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 17:35:56 And they were also under the influence of drugs to do that as well. He had piss poor deductive reasoning. No matter what you say Rod, he was a moron.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Jan 18 17:47:54 it's a fine line between a crazy hermit killing and burning the crops of innocent civilians and a dutiful soldier killing and burning the crops of innocent civilians
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 17:53:05 No, they were not. They trained to be Kamikazes. "When you eliminate all thoughts about life and death, you will be able to totally disregard your earthly life. This will also enable you to concentrate your attention on eradicating the enemy with unwavering determination, meanwhile reinforcing your excellence in flight skills. —An excerpt from a kamikaze pilots' manual. "Pilots were given a manual which detailed how they were supposed to think, prepare and attack. From this manual, pilots were told to "attain a high level of spiritual training," and to "keep [their] health in the very best condition." These things, among others, were meant to put the pilot into the mindset in which he would be mentally ready to die." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikazes#Effects
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 18:15:13 Rod, I know youre a fucking drop out, and really stupid, but for fucks sakes man. Methamphetamine went into wide use during World War II, when both sides used it to keep troops awake. High doses were given to Japanese Kamikaze pilots before their suicide missions. And after the war, methamphetamine abuse by injection reached epidemic proportions when supplies stored for military use became available to the Japanese public http://www...istory-of-methamphetamine.html
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 18:15:37 and more. http://www...nd-of-the-rising-crystal-meth/ God damn man.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 18:16:42 BAck to the matter at hand. The jap, was indeed a fucking moron and murderer.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 18:22:29 And they talk about this shit on the military channel all the time. Again, you are a fucking imbecile.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 18:44:15 I doubt Onoda found much crystal meth in the Philippine jungle during those years. And because there was widespread use during the war does not change what I said about the Japanese mind.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sat Jan 18 19:00:55 As always, you missed the fucking point. Your claim; 'jap pilots drink saki, fly planes into ships' Response to you: they were on drugs and did that. your idiotic claim: 'no, they read a guide to being kamikaze piloting'. response to you: 'facts, you're a moron, more facts'. you're reply: I doubt moron jap found much crystal meth... you are aware you interjected a claim that was unfounded right? And were proven wrong. You're just a fucking dumb as the jap who thought the war continued for years and murdered locals. Good job, my faith in your stupidity is never unyielding.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jan 18 19:06:33 Of course I was wrong, took you long enough to figure that out dummy.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Jan 19 05:08:16 That makes no sense. That is why people who drop out of 8th grade shouldn't talk.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Jan 19 09:03:43 "And because there was widespread use during the war does not change what I said about the Japanese mind." There is my admission I was wrong, please learn to pay attention.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Sun Jan 19 14:39:13 " In my opinion, it is patriotic to sign up to defend your country when it is faced with some serious threat. [...] Depends on the circumstances, and what you do during your draft service. Certainly not every draftee is a patriot, but it's not an automatic disqualifier either. Onada was a draftee who could have surrendered the moment he first saw an Allied patrol, but he instead decided to obey his orders to defend his territory, and held to that mission long after he needed to. " LOL, ya cuz Phillipinos were totally about to invade Japan.
Rugian Member	Sun Jan 19 15:06:51 "LOL, ya cuz Phillipinos were totally about to invade Japan." ... You do understand that the point of the orders that he received was to defend against the American advance, right? Just because you apparently don't like it when your voluntary enlistment in order to draw a paycheck is called what it is, doesn't mean you should go full retard mode on us.
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