Utopia Talk / Politics / Shittendo - wii 2 already in the works

The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 11:26:06 2011 I knew it! This is why I warned all you retards into buying that POS known as the wii. And what did you get out of it after all these years? 4 years of ZERO blockbuster games and they already planning on releasing a wii 2 next year. FUCK THAT SHIT. Will it play wii 1 games on it? Man it absolutely sucked to be a stupid wii nerd. Almost as hard as dumb xbots. So they got mario galaxy, smash bros, zelda, and everything else on wii was shit. And after 4 years of drought, shit, you gotta be incredibly stupid to be a wiiboy. Shit, if you are a wii boy, you DO feel rolled over and owned. I knew it. Wii is the PS3 for little KIDS. 360 is a poor mans PS3.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 11:27:54 2011 http://www.cnbc.com/id/42747999/ wii 2 confirmed for 2012 Man, what a POS.
Camaban rank	Tue Apr 26 13:04:58 2011 You realise five or six years is one hell of a long time in the IT world, don't you? Following Moore's law, which is still holding roughly true, that's an eight or 16 fold increase in power (ok, transistors on the CPU, but lets not split too many hairs here, it's close enough) in that time for roughly the same price as the original. Depending on how early it was bought, its price also comes to as little as about a dollar a week. Of course you don't realise this. You're a moron.
Camaban rank	Tue Apr 26 13:09:36 2011 'course, the above increase in power would likely be overkill if it was done. However, the point remains that six years is a bloody long time in the IT world. It's the difference between a mid P4 and an i7.
Honest Politician rank	Tue Apr 26 14:50:41 2011 True, Cam. Isn't Moore's law nearing its limits now though?
Honest Politician rank	Tue Apr 26 14:51:34 2011 What I mean is, given that up until now it is still roughly holding true, how much longer will it actually hold for?
Snuke rank	Tue Apr 26 15:23:20 2011 FUCK THAT SHIT. Will it play wii 1 games on it? Man it absolutely sucked to be a stupid wii nerd. Almost as hard as dumb xbots. --- Yes, backwards compatible and it will not have those controllers, and it apparently will be a powerful system because they want to try to take back the hardcore market. That means... WELCOME BACK GOOD ZELDA, GOOD METROID, STARFOX, ETC... woo!
Snuke rank	Tue Apr 26 15:27:00 2011 Now in my opinion the Wii was a horrible flop for gamers, and a massive hit for nongamers. It's confirmed that this new system will have more power than the PS3. Of course that means the PS4 will be twice this things power.
Honest Politician rank	Tue Apr 26 16:01:43 2011 Power-wise, Nintendo are a step behind the competing consoles. The Pee is asthmatic compared to the X360 and PS3. So the new one being more powerful than the PS3 sounds good on paper, but it won't compete with any new Xbox or PS consoles.
Aeros rank	Tue Apr 26 16:23:08 2011 Nintendo was not trying to get the hardcore gaming market with the Wii. They were trying to expand the industry with it. In that regard it was a huge success. And lets face it. Nintendo made a shit ton more money this console cycle then Sony or Microsoft.
roland rank	Tue Apr 26 16:48:38 2011 "What I mean is, given that up until now it is still roughly holding true, how much longer will it actually hold for? " Or have we reach a limit that we dont actually need something more powerful for what we do.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 16:50:00 2011 Ok apparently dumbaban who has seen his wii collect dust for over 4 years still dont get it. Maybe its time to remind him how just how much dust is in his wii. 2006: wii gets released, 2 blockbuster games mario and zelda 2007: nintendo fooling all kinds of retards. gaming gods like myself already seeing the dust storm of boreness ahead. Absolute fail. 1 blockbuster game = smash bros 2008: damn, son, not one blockbuster game on the wii. Wii collecting dusts all around the world. Retarded wii kids whine about "you wait and see" Meanwhile real men were playing GRAND THEFT AUTO, METAL GEAR SOLID 4, UNCHARTED, STREETFIGHTER 4, RESIDENT EVIL, BIOSHOCK, CALL OF FKING DUTY 4 & WORLD AT WAR, KILLZONE AND PLENTY MORE. Hell even the shitty xbots had gaylo to play. 2009: Real men laughing at retarded wii kids. Wii kids: "but but but wait till E3. Nintendo coming with real games soon" @E3 the laughter from real men just became louder. Even xbots were laughing... 2010: wii kids now waited for 3 years and still no sign of any blockbuster games on the wii. PS3 gamers: "Yo when will you little kids learn" Xbots: "haha stupid wii, we have floppble 3 and alan wakiez" PS3 gamers: "...(those are games?)" pathetic wii kids: "but but but you just wait and see, nintendo will come out with real announcements at E3, real soon" Of course @E3 wii kids were crying again. 2011: so after 4 years, wii kids are still waiting. And lol and behold, not only are the games NOT COMING but shittendo are telling you to buy a NEW CONSOLE, dumbaban. Nintendo: "Hi people, we have great announcement! You want games? We heard your calls. We will give you games...but you need to buy our wii2 next year cos thats where the next mario and zelda are gonna be on AGAIN" PS3 gamers: "lol suckers, you bought a console for 5 years, had 2 years of games and waited 4 year to get screwed again" *goes back playing Uncharted 2/ Gran turismo* xbots: "lol suckers, you bought a console for 5 years, had 2 years of games and waited 4 year to get screwed again" *goes back playing Gran Turismo wanna be clone* Man, nintendo owned the fk out of you, boy. Period.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 16:52:39 2011 Do you know how pathetic it is, when your console receives 1 or 2 blockbuster releases in 1 year. Fk that man. Real gamers dont have to wait. Real gamers get to play blockbusters throughout the year. Get that through your head wiikids. This is why we call you wii_KIDS. You people are kids, little boys. Men wannabes, youre not even teens, youre wannabes. Thats how pathetic you are.
Honest Politician rank	Tue Apr 26 17:08:50 2011 @ Roland Not really, there is always a need for more powerful computing for industrial/scientific applications. Like other technology though it just tends to trickle down to consumer products like consoles. You should look up quantum computing.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 17:32:13 2011 The Children maybe you should get a dictionary and look up the word "blockbuster". Blockbuster doesn't mean shit that The Children likes. It doesn't even mean shit that is exclusive to PS3. What it means in the context of this thread is a game that sells extreemly well. In that area Wii kicks the hell out of PS3. It isn't even close. No the games are not for hardcore gamers, but that doesn't mean they are not fun games to play. Hell hardcore gamers no longer make up the bulk of the market and it was the people behind Wii that realized this and took full advantage. And we all know all you care about is eye candy. A movie that lets you choose what angle to watch a scene from is an absolute hit according to your game tastes. Not much fun, no game play at all, but wow it looks pretty, that is what you are after. Yeah if pretty is all you give a shit about and have no concerns about gameplay at all PS3 kicks ass. When it comes to gameplay and value though PS3 failed harsh. Has it even begun to turn a profit yet?
Snuke rank	Tue Apr 26 17:34:04 2011 http://mas...3109Nintendo-Stream-Controller Apparently this thing will have an lcd touch screen in the controller that is 1080p
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 17:37:47 2011 Im talking about MUST HAVE/ MUST OWN/ MUST PLAY games. THAT what being blockbuster is about. Cooking mama is NOT a blockbuster spiderman wii is NOT a blockbuster Escape of insect island is NOT a blockbuster Monkey madness is NOT a blockbuster UNCHARTED IS a blockbuster Gran Turismo IS a blockbuster Metal Gear solid 4 IS a blockbuster Modern Warfare 2 IS a blockbuster Grand theft auto IS a blockbuster Final Fantasy IS a blockbuster Batman AA IS a blockbuster Red dead redemption assassins creed Killzone God of war Little Big Planet Resident Evil 5 IS a blockbuster despite being a letdown. What do all these games have in common? NONE of them are on the wii. OWNED Doesnt take a rocket scientist gamer to figure this out.
Snuke rank	Tue Apr 26 17:38:12 2011 Game play and value? Shut the fuck up. Both PS3 and 360 are the same fucking thing in terms of games. PS3 is a more powerful system. But don't go on about game play because seriously.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 17:42:40 2011 "Apparently this thing will have an lcd touch screen in the controller that is 1080p " >> keep on dreaming. You have facts on 1 hand. And you have fiction or fantasy realm on the other. You, like all wiiboys, live in fantasy land where Nintendo is god and every year since 2007 was supposed to be a "OMG NINTENDO GONNA BE REVEALING BIG PROJECT SOON, SOON WE HAVE GAMEZ TO PLAY YAY" And do you want to know why every year ended up with you people crying all year? Because fantasy is not fact, fantasy is fiction. Thats why. You resemble xbots: "OMG THIS YEAR KOJIMA FINALLY REVEALING MGS4 FOR THE 360!!!" Haha it aint ever gonna happen, stupid idiots. Because what you want is fantasy and not facts aka the real world. In the real world, wii 2 is gonna be a marginal upgrade to the wii 1 because they wont be able to compete against 250 xbox and 299 PS3 which may even drop further down in price by next year. So in the real world, wii 2 is gonna have a marginal upgrade, aka motherboard, graphics card etc but nothing more. In other words, its gonna suck extra hard especially because you already dished out 250 for a wii 1 which ended up collecting 30 pounds of dust.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 17:45:11 2011 "Game play and value?" >> doesnt exist on the 360. alan wakiez is gameplay and value? No, alan wakiez is SHIT. Fable 3 is game play and value? No, Fable 3 is a BETA project. Game play and value on PS3? No, PS3 is gameplay, value AND graphics. PS3 does everything.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 18:11:59 2011 "Im talking about MUST HAVE/ MUST OWN/ MUST PLAY games. THAT what being blockbuster is about." and way more people think the Wii games are the must have games than people that think PS3 is must have. If you want to go by blockbuster PS3 finishes pretty much dead fucking last. The PS3 can't even see the Wii that is how much the Wii kicks its ass when it comes to actual blockbuster and not just anticipated games. The best game PS3 has sold just over six million copies. Wii has a game that sold over 75 million copies and has a few other games that have sold well over twenty million. Sony can't even dream of those numbers. We have a PS3 and a Wii. Had a 360 but sold it because it wasn't being used. The PS3 gets used to play bluray movies and a little bit of gameplay. The Wii gets used for games all the time. My mom and her sisters (all are near 70 years old) enjoy playing some of the games. They also really enjoy watching the grandchildren playing games on the Wii, and guess what... the grandchildren always go stright for the Wii, the PS3 being completely ignored. I play the Wii more than the PS3 because I have a PC that will make the PS3 look stupid. My brother is probably close to even split on the Wii and the PS3. In short the Wii has found a huge market that Sony and Microsoft continue to ignore. The Wii coming out will target that same market and they will again outsell Sony and Microsoft because those two insist on competeing over a very small share of the overall market. The Wii is like pop music it appeals to the masses and from time to time something good even comes from it. Of course if you are all alone in your basement stuck playing games, maybe the Wii isn't the way to go. It is more fun when played with other people. Then again all alone in your basement you would be better off with a PC and no need to get a PS3 or any other console at all. So maybe the PS3 is just for people who want to play PC type of games but can't afford a good game system for the latest games. So they settle.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 18:21:05 2011 "and way more people think the Wii games are the must have games than people that think PS3 is must have." >> NAME THOSE BLOCKBUSTERS, BOY. End of discussion. Kargen just got OWNED hard.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 18:26:04 2011 Wii Sports would be the big one. It outsold the PS3 top ten all by itself. Yes you read that correctly. If you take the PS3 top ten selling games they do not when added together equal the sales of just one Wii game. After you find the definition of blockbuster maybe you can find owned in the dictionary and see what it means as well. Both words you are using wrong.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 18:44:36 2011 Wii sports = garbage and not a blockbuster. A blockbuster is NOT defined by the amount of copies it sells. A blockbuster is defined as a breakthrough game that gamers MUST HAVE/ MUST OWN/ or MUST PLAY. WII SPORTS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME, DUMB WIIBOY.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 18:51:59 2011 Over 70 million people say you are fucking wrong and they haven't even had the opportunity to read your postings here to help them form that opinion. Dipshit.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 18:55:25 2011 That 70 million people are not gamers, they are bored retirees or the soccer mom or the 10 year old boy trying out video games for the first time. REAL GAMERS have been playing games for a while and know what advantages and disadvantages all the consoles have and know which are the must have games. YOU KNOW THE GAMES THAT EVERY GAMER talks about on youtube, the internet, gaming forums, @E3, magazines etc. GAMES TARGETTED AT PEOPLE 15-40. THATS A GAMER. Those 70million have never touched a videogame before the wii, they are not gamers not even today, they are CASUALS.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 18:59:53 2011 In short, what makes you a true gamer. It has to be something that you do regularly. Not something that you pick up occasionally once a month. You are not a basketballer because you shoot a ball every month or so. Thats a casual basketballer. YOU ARE A REAL BASKETBALLER if you play basketball on a regular basis. That doesnt have to be on a professional level, but can also be your backyard with a friend. But its something you do on a regular basis. SAME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CASUAL GAMERS and REAL GAMERS.
Clitoral Hood rank	Tue Apr 26 19:00:40 2011 you play gran turismo. I'd say by any definition that makes you a casual.
Hellfire rank	Tue Apr 26 19:01:35 2011 "That 70 million people are not gamers, they are bored retirees or the soccer mom or the 10 year old boy trying out video games for the first time." Trying out video games for the first time? The only one who has never played video games are 3 year olds. ... and Nintendo is making tons of money off that 70 million people. Hey TC, what's the most popular console? Hint: it isn't PS3.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 19:04:26 2011 "... and Nintendo is making tons of money off that 70 million people." >> Aye true dat. Nintendo: "hehehe stupid wiiboys, we alreadiez got your moniez. OWNED!" Stupid idiots, you are being forced to pay up 350 bucks for another wii with barely any games, AGAIN. Gosh does that sound familiar? Deja Vu? Ya, thats the N64 experience. And the wii1 experience. lol OWNED "Hey TC, what's the most popular console? Hint: it isn't PS3." >> What is the BEST console. Answer: PS3. OWNED.
Honest Politician rank	Tue Apr 26 19:07:15 2011 Mods should clear up all the chinese shit in this thread, it's getting cluttered. I'll I'm seeing is wall of text PS3 and UNNECESSARILY CAPPED WORDS.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 19:10:26 2011 Well if you want to take that elitist bullshit attitude then a GAMER builds a kick ass PC to play the latest games at the highest settings and a screaming refresh rate, while the kiddies and wanna-bs get a console. And I am betting a lot of those 10 year old boys kick the shit out of most "GAMERS" when it comes to play time because unlike you and the ten year old these people have jobs. All that being said both your messages are basically bullshit. If playing console games is a hobby, be it casual or intense then you may call yourself a gamer. Age makes not a bit of difference. If it is anticipation and games everybody talks about the gradeschool crowd on the playground has all you "serious gamers" asses kicked. They can eat and breath a new game about to come out with the best of them. Face it, the Wii has found a real gamers market that has been until then pretty much ignored and used that market to kick the shit out of Microsoft and Sony in any way that matters.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 19:13:07 2011 "Stupid idiots, you are being forced to pay up 350 bucks for another wii with barely any games, AGAIN." Why? The original will still work on the games people are now playing in droves. Just because a new console comes out that doesn't mean people automatically gotta toss the old one out. Those that do upgrade will be lucky and happy if they can get another four to five years out of the one purchase like many did with the Wii.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 19:20:11 2011 "Why? The original will still work on the games people are now playing in droves" >> Of those original games, only a few are really play worthy. That being said, its shit because the wii1 is already being discontinued, no longer supported because any new game will be on the wii2, so youre fked either way. And reason 2 because you dished out 250 bucks for a console that lasted 4/5 years but only had really 2 years where you had _SOME_ games to play (and even than 2 blockbusters in a YEAR is pathetic to say the least. Thats like play 1 game, wait 7 months, yay finally another game!). Bottomline is you paid 250 bucks under the assumption that it was the cheapest of the 3 consoles and that there were plenty of games for it and plenty of support for it. 5 years later, we all know it turned out 100% differently. There is no support for it, no games for it and if you want to see what happens to link the next time? "Juzt buy our new consolez and bend over" Not that I cant tell you EXACTLY what is going to happen to Link. Let me guess, he starts out somewhere as a farmboy, a peasant with pointy ears. He goes off on a quest to save a princess and somewhere in there, ganondorf makes an appearance. LOL, EVERY Zelda is like that. You idiots are playing remakes. Its almost as bad as FABLE 3 NOT BEING A REAL FULLY DEVELOPED GAME, but a shitty beta project that they released too early and promised loads of shit that never came to be. In the real world, we call that LYING.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 19:33:29 2011 "That being said, its shit because the wii1 is already being discontinued, no longer supported because any new game will be on the wii2, so youre fked either way. " >> and of course, as a stupid wii kid, you should feel absolutely OWNED here, because you really should. 70% of those dumb wii kids waited and waited and waited in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 for new blockbuster announcements by Nintendo and after 4 years, they finally get the megaton announcement. Its not a game though. lol OWNED. Damn, thats like going to war and after 4 years of iraq you return home only to find out that your wife left you 3 years ago... OWNED man. No other way to describe it other than massively OWNED. All wiikids should feel extremely owned. If they dont, than they are rabid fanboys who are out of touch with reality.
Clitoral Hood rank	Tue Apr 26 21:17:03 2011 TC is a casual gamer.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 21:40:01 2011 You are xbot, punk.
Hellfire rank	Tue Apr 26 21:41:46 2011 http://www.vgchartz.com/ Worldwide Top 10 16th April 2011 1 PSP Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Taisen Z:... 300,289 2 DS Pokémon Black / White Version 210,550 3 X360 Kinect Adventures! 111,690 4 Wii Wii Sports 107,939 5 X360 Michael Jackson: The Experience 105,298 6 Wii Wii Sports Resort 100,857 7 PS3 Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 87,116 8 DS Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2... 84,062 9 Wii Just Dance 2 82,221 10 Wii Wii Fit Plus 74,323 ------------------------------------------------- Hey, look, a PS3 game made it into the top 10! What about the week before? 1 Pokémon Black / White Version (DS) Nintendo, RPG 30 225,851 10,301,433 2 Wii Sports (Wii) Nintendo, Sports 229 103,628 76,224,411 3 Wii Sports Resort (Wii) Nintendo, Sports 94 97,343 25,897,318 4 Crysis 2 (X360) Electronic Arts, FPS 3 88,462 630,425 5 Just Dance 2 (Wii) Ubisoft, Other 26 74,065 6,980,024 6 Zumba Fitness (Wii) 505 Games, Sports 21 66,671 992,384 7 Chikyuu Boueigun 2 Portable (PSP) D3 Publisher, Action 1 63,939 63,939 8 Crysis 2 (PS3) Electronic Arts, FPS 3 59,797 409,973 9 Wii Fit Plus (Wii) Nintendo, Sports 80 58,665 18,779,330 10 Homefront (X360) THQ, FPS 4 57,921 995,749 ohhhhhhhhhhhhh one in the top 10 again. ... The market sure loves the PS3... NOT oh, how is PSN doing?
NeverWoods rank	Tue Apr 26 21:45:56 2011 Minecraft is a AAA game bitches.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 21:46:55 2011 Dont ever pull up vgchartz crap in my face and think that somehow you are making a point. vgchartz is as accurate as dogshit. Second of all, PS3 has more 5 million baggers than xbox games, so shut the fuk up. Third, sales does not make a blockbuster, bitch. Every wii game on that list is a piece of shit that random 30 people @E3 would play even if you PAYED them money, excluding journalists and shit like that. So shut the fuk up.
Hellfire rank	Tue Apr 26 21:49:24 2011 "vgchartz is as accurate as dogshit. " so what's a better source ya douchebag? "Third, sales does not make a blockbuster, bitch. " Sales sure as hell makes the bottom line for the console manufacturers. You can yell and scream all about how great the PS3 is but if it's not popular it doesn't mean shit.
Hellfire rank	Tue Apr 26 21:49:38 2011 and what was that about PSN? Still down?
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 21:51:57 2011 "so what's a better source ya douchebag?" >> www.TCsaysitsBSnowstfu.com "Sales sure as hell makes the bottom line for the console manufacturers." >> Are you console manufacturer or are you end consumer. Why should I give a fk about some console manufacturer. I give a fk about its games. When youre bored to death, you can take comfort in the fact that nintendo is owning the fk out of you, dumbass. In the real world, we call you people: LOSERS.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 22:37:00 2011 "Second of all, PS3 has more 5 million baggers than xbox games, so shut the fuk up." I thought this was about the Wii? If you take all the games PS3 has that sold over 5 million copies they still have not combined sold as much as only one Wii game sold. And like it or not people are having hours and hours of fun playing that game, alone and with other people. THe Wii for the most part is very stable and the consumers are getting the games they expected to get. And your original premise was that Wii owners were fucked because the Wii2 will come out 5 to 6 years after the Wii release. Maybe you should look at the Sony timeline ya goofy litte fuck. The only reason the PS3 didn't replace the PS2 sooner is because Sony couldn't get it to work. They were behind production the entire time, the final release was much less than expected (still good Just less than was promised)and Sony lost money on every unit they sold. That means not only were the customers being fucked by Sony, but the stockholders were also being fucked by the release of PS3. The customers being fucked of course is using your screwed logic. The stockholders being fucked is determined by looking at the bottom line. If the Wii owners are being fucked how much more so were PS2 people fucked? Honest answer would be by quite a good bit. Dipshit.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 22:40:31 2011 PS2 owners got plenty of games to compensate for any royal screwovers. Wii owners get nothing but dust. OWNED
Clitoral Hood rank	Tue Apr 26 23:27:57 2011 keep playing gran turismo like it's something to talk about. casual.
kargen rank	Tue Apr 26 23:33:52 2011 "PS2 owners got plenty of games to compensate for any royal screwovers." As did those who own the Wii. Your opinion about those games doesn't matter one iota. You think a movie where you can pick an alternate ending is a good game. "Click button A if you want the hero to getinto car and ride off into sunset" "Click button B if you want hero to walk off into the sunset." This choice gets you all giddy, because of how pretty the sunset is and you come here declaring what a great game you just played.
The Children rank	Tue Apr 26 23:47:11 2011 Wii does not have any real/ good games. FACT.
kargen rank	Wed Apr 27 00:47:47 2011 You wouldn't know a fact if it was biting your ass. All you got is misguided fucked up supreemly wrong opinions ya fucking git.
Firestorm Phoenix rank	Wed Apr 27 03:27:30 2011 Of course, being unemployed, you cant afford anything, TC.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 03:38:15 2011 Kargen I don't think you understand some key points here. Number of consoles sold is in the end secondary to number of games and licenses sold. Nintendo is posting record losses. Not enough games were sold. It was too easy to flash and crack the Nintendo. 90 million sold Wii is completely meaningless as the PS3 and Xbox360 with far fewer sold consoles are bringing in big profit for respective companies.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:12:40 2011 Nimatzo: In that case, the sales charts for games should be lower. And as something that's targeted toward the non-gamer market, I doubt it would have the problems it would if it was targeted at the hardcore geek market. A grandmother or general non-IT person normally knows SFA about modchipping.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:13:37 2011 Worldwide software totals are on the right-hand side of the screen http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:19:58 2011 Wii 1,771,129 X360 1,713,955 PS3 1,442,206 You don't think the weekly sales as of recent is a give away? Given that the Wii has almost 90% more sold consoles and is selling 13-14% more games a week?
Clitoral Hood rank	Wed Apr 27 04:22:15 2011 are you suggesting that somehow nintendo doesn't profit from their game sales? sure, they might not sell games to match the console sales, but they still sell more games. it's not unreasonable to guess that higher game sales = more profit.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:24:58 2011 Then why are the posting net loss for the first time in 7 years? And why is the future prognosis so grim? High yen, weak demand.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:31:03 2011 I am guessing that Nintendo didn't plan to lose money in the gap between the Wii and it's successor? Also that they are speeding things a bit to launch their new consoles soon (2012). Meanwhile both the PS3 and Xbox360 are scheduled to keep running until 2014-2015.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:33:47 2011 2016 for the PS3 actually.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:35:38 2011 >>You don't think the weekly sales as of recent is a give away? Given that the Wii has almost 90% more sold consoles and is selling 13-14% more games a week? << Not particularly. I think that in something that's not targeted at the traditional gamer market, it's to be expected. And the fact is that for software sales, they are roughly #1, even when you disregard Wii Sports. >>Then why are the posting net loss for the first time in 7 years? And why is the future prognosis so grim? High yen, weak demand. << "Nintendo pinned the downturn to unfavorable exchange rates, slipping DS sales (down 45%), and the release of fewer major new titles. However, the company still forecasts a $2.3 billion profit for the full fiscal year and is confident the 3DS and upcoming games like Metroid: Other M and Pokemon Black/White will right the ship."
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:39:41 2011 Disregard that last paragraph, noticed the date was July last year.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:44:50 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_games http://en....ling_video_games#PlayStation_3 Please note that the PS3 stats came out a year later. But still. Total Wii games sold as of March 31, 2011: 716.09 million.[1] Total PlayStation 3 games sold as of June 30, 2010: 315.3 million.[152]
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:53:38 2011 >>I think that in something that's not targeted at the traditional gamer market, it's to be expected.<< Which was my initial point. Serious gamers spend more money on games in the than casual gamers, hence why after initial success gaming sales on the Wii is failing when compared to the huge amount of consoles sold. Meanwhile the PS2 another long lived Sony consoles shipped 1.5 BILLION games and sold 150 million consoles in 10 years. PS3 was released 5 years ago and has sold 50 million units. If we go by the projected 10 year cycle and dropping prices, while it wont beat the PS2, it will come really close.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:55:58 2011 Sorry, 9 months. >>hence why after initial success gaming sales on the Wii is failing when compared to the huge amount of consoles sold. << Check my above post. 9 months difference or not, that's a greater than 2:1 Wii:PS3 ratio. Actually per system now that I think about it, Wii is probably ahead. Or roughly the same, if you disregard Wii Sports.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 04:56:59 2011 >>Meanwhile the PS2 another long lived Sony consoles shipped 1.5 BILLION games and sold 150 million consoles in 10 years.<< For the time period, Wii has kept up.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 04:58:08 2011 Those numbers are completely irrelevant since Nintendo is 1 year away from basically discontinuing th Wii, their support for last gen consoles when the next gen comes out is appalling.
Clitoral Hood rank	Wed Apr 27 05:01:44 2011 "Meanwhile the PS2 another long lived Sony consoles shipped 1.5 BILLION games and sold 150 million consoles in 10 years. PS3 was released 5 years ago and has sold 50 million units. If we go by the projected 10 year cycle and dropping prices, while it wont beat the PS2, it will come really close." if they stay on track they barely hit 66% in consoles. and it is unlikely the double 5-year sales to match or come close.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:02:14 2011 >>Actually per system now that I think about it, Wii is probably ahead. Or roughly the same, if you disregard Wii Sports.<< Per system, they are about the same, this does not change the fact that "failing" is present and "initial success" is the past. I am talking about the complete life cycle.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:03:58 2011 >>Those numbers are completely irrelevant since Nintendo is 1 year away from basically discontinuing th Wii, their support for last gen consoles when the next gen comes out is appalling.<< What do you think the Wii's R&D costs were compared with the PS3's? Also remember that they'll have at least a year as the most powerful console (Moore's law again - Making something more powerful than something that was released roughly six years earlier should be childs play) Also, while their support for older consoles isn't so good, look at their support for gamecube titles, then compare with the PS3's support for PS2 titles (done for a while, then ditched as too expensive). The likely reason that the 64 wasn't supported in the same manner is the different media type.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:05:17 2011 >>if they stay on track they barely hit 66% in consoles. and it is unlikely the double 5-year sales to match or come close.<< Considering the power, the awesome bluray player, 3D bluray support this summer and whatever else the PS3 can handle due to it's sheer power I would say you have no idea what you are talking about.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:06:03 2011 >>Per system, they are about the same, this does not change the fact that "failing" is present and "initial success" is the past. I am talking about the complete life cycle. << So per system, they're the same. And they had about 30 million more systems out there. On something that was easier to program for. >>Per system, they are about the same, this does not change the fact that "failing" is present and "initial success" is the past. I am talking about the complete life cycle. << And over the complete lifecycle, the Wii was a smashing success. It's a shorter lifecycle, but it's also a cheaper product for when the next one comes out. The Wii was never the major investment that the PS3 was.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:08:34 2011 >>The likely reason that the 64<< They discontinued the Gamecube 1 year after the Wii was launched. That is their general track record for consoles. The reason their backwards compatibility was so great was because the Wii and the Gamecube are basically the same freaking console.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:08:56 2011 >>Considering the power, the awesome bluray player, 3D bluray support this summer and whatever else the PS3 can handle due to it's sheer power I would say you have no idea what you are talking about. << The PS3 is ancient in IT terms. It's kept up well, but if Nintendo releases something remotely worthy of the year, it'll be left far in the dust by something whose power was never its main attraction. Blue ray was nice, but I'd be amazed if the next Wii didn't have it. >>3D bluray support this summer and whatever else the PS3 can handle due to it's sheer power I would say you have no idea what you are talking about. << Only relevant if the next Wii is behind a six year old system in terms of technology. If it isn't, why would someone go for a PS3? (Assuming that Nintendo aims for cheap like they did last time, and Sony isn't forced into a massive drop in prices)
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:09:33 2011 >>They discontinued the Gamecube 1 year after the Wii was launched. That is their general track record for consoles. The reason their backwards compatibility was so great was because the Wii and the Gamecube are basically the same freaking console. << Where's the problem? They had an affordable console that could do anything the GC could do anyway - Why would they have persisted with the GC?
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:10:00 2011 Also what's wrong with discontinuing something when you release something that's the same, but better?
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:13:08 2011 And yet for all these posts made, Nintendo is bleeding money and they are hyping up their next console. It's not only the DS Wii software sales also dipped and dipping. So why does real life not agree with your "great" arguments?
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:14:34 2011
Nimatzo rank	Wed Apr 27 05:14:53 2011 Bedtime.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:17:27 2011 >>And yet for all these posts made, Nintendo is bleeding money and they are hyping up their next console. It's not only the DS Wii software sales also dipped and dipping. So why does real life not agree with your "great" arguments? << That they've come to the end of the Wii's lifespan and now is a good time to jump to the next one. Considering it was a cheaper, lower-powered console, this wasn't a surprise. If they didn't plan for it, then they're much dumber than is probable. Insane, even. However, for software manufacturers, there's likely to be no loss with this earlier move (probably a bonus as it allows them to update the graphics on their games and re-release them with, if the GC-Wii pattern is maintained, very few major changes in coding required) because unlike with the PS3, backwards compatibility is a practical reality in the Nintendo world.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 05:18:13 2011 Plus again, remember. They're going to spend years being the only people with the next generation console. If they can't rake in enough cash to make even a four or five year lifecycle worth it, I'd be amazed. And g'night
kargen rank	Wed Apr 27 05:41:27 2011 "Then why are the posting net loss for the first time in 7 years?" Could be any number of reasons. Development being a big one. If TC is correct they are pumping money into a new launch. The PS3 came out losing money on every unit sold and did so for a very long time. Just checked, they are not showing a loss. They are showing a profit loss. That means profits are down a certain percentage, not that they are showing a loss. They blame in part dwindling sales in the Wii (still competing well though) also blamed is a dissapointing launch of the 3DS, research and development and the earthquake that effected all Japanese companies. " Kargen I don't think you understand some key points here. Number of consoles sold is in the end secondary to number of games and licenses sold." I've only been talking games. Wii sports has sold more copies than the top ten PS3 games combined. That isn't consoles that is games. "hence why after initial success gaming sales on the Wii is failing when compared to the huge amount of consoles sold." But compared to the competition still selling more. If I have 100 customers and 20% of them buy regular and you have 10 customers and 85% of them buy regular who is making more if we are charging simular prices? Oh and the Wii didn't cost money for every unit sold like the PS3 did for Sony for a long time. Sony always figured they would make up for the loss through games sales but fell way short of their own expectations. In short the Wii found a huge mostly untapped market and went after that market. Their efforts have been well rewarded. There are four or five Wii games with over twenty million sold, best PS3 can do is six million. I don't know why you think you can drop Wii sports from the picture. It is a Wii game and it was huge. Hell Wii fitness has sold extreemly well compared to PS3 games and it included the added cost of added equipment required. If investors were given a choice of investing in something promisng to deliver like the PS3 did or the Wii did which do you think they will choose? I'll give you a hint, it would be the one having nothing to do with Sony. the bluray was huge though. There are people that bought the PS3 because the bluray playing capabilites were considered better than most bluray players on the market at the time. The bad news of course being Sony was counting on games being sold, not movies being watched.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 06:12:41 2011 >>I don't know why you think you can drop Wii sports from the picture. It is a Wii game and it was huge. Hell Wii fitness has sold extreemly well compared to PS3 games and it included the added cost of added equipment required. << That was me disregarding it. Because it came bundled with the console. It was cheating. This being said, I realise that games frequently came bundled with the PS3, but the Wii has enough of a lead to make that calculation (Probably between 30 and 100 million sales across several games, I don't know, all I know there is that here it's not uncommon to see a couple of games get bundled) not worth the effort.
pillz rank	Wed Apr 27 06:21:59 2011 PSN is not going to be back up for weeks, and the Government is going to investigate Sony for the information that was lost. lol @ ps3 owners
Snuke rank	Wed Apr 27 06:24:05 2011 TC, I've had all three because I'm not a poor rice farmer. All of your arguments are null and void.
kargen rank	Wed Apr 27 06:24:50 2011 Okay that makes sense, but the PS3 also had some bundles available over the years as you mentioned (I should read an entire message before I start typing). After reading a few articles and reports it seems to me that another generation of the Wii is about due from both a consumer and company point of view.
Camaban rank	Wed Apr 27 07:10:02 2011 >>Okay that makes sense, but the PS3 also had some bundles available over the years as you mentioned (I should read an entire message before I start typing). After reading a few articles and reports it seems to me that another generation of the Wii is about due from both a consumer and company point of view. << It is. And only a fool would have believed that the Wii lifecycle would sychronise with the PS3/X360 lifecycle. However, again, I'm sure that Nintendo will enjoy their up to four years being the makers of the only 8th gen console on the market.
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