Utopia Talk / Politics / Vote: Should JB leave the forum forever

Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 05 20:14:54 Yes
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun Dec 05 20:15:13 yes
Milton Bradley Member	Sun Dec 05 20:17:17 yes (Fred)
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Dec 05 20:22:35 Yes.
Camaban The Overseer	Sun Dec 05 20:24:15 Yes
Muslim Member	Sun Dec 05 20:28:24 No.
Arab Member	Sun Dec 05 20:28:34 No.
cloud strife Member	Sun Dec 05 20:32:19 No. also fred doesn't get a vote.
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Sun Dec 05 20:40:03 Yes
Judicator Member	Sun Dec 05 20:57:44 Yes.
yankeessuck123 Member	Sun Dec 05 20:59:13 No, but he should be thoroughly harassed by everybody, especially admins, on a regular basis.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Dec 05 21:00:03 Why kick him out and Master Bait, Renzo and miltonfriedman? They are far worse than he is. Far, Far worse. I vote NO.
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Dec 05 21:00:45 He should fake his death, only to come back at a later date under a different handle and act like nothing has happened.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Dec 05 21:02:35 And Dickhead is borderline, but only because he can dish it out but is too much of a sissy girl to take it.
ehcks Member	Sun Dec 05 21:02:45 Yes
freaky boy Member	Sun Dec 05 21:06:37 no, I still dont get what the problem is, or why this is such a big fuzzling issue. I mean this place needs more spice anyhow, and you wanna get rid of the biggest dufus we've got?
Hot Rod Member	Sun Dec 05 21:09:32 Thanks fb, that is one of the nicest things ever said about me on this forum. :)
Dickhead UPer Member	Sun Dec 05 21:23:31 As conceited as you are, but, he wasn't talking about you unless you admit that your other handle is J.B.?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 05 21:27:39 JB is a spammer. This is really the only thing that cannot be tolerated at UP.
MrPresident07 Member	Sun Dec 05 21:43:45 The problem isn't JB. It's the idiots that give JB relevance by responding to his posts.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 05 21:54:11 No, the problem is definetly JB being a bitch and spamming the forum.
Hot Rod Member	Sun Dec 05 23:10:19 Sam, JB is not the one who spams my threads, that is Adolph Hitler who is hiding out under the Milton Bradley tag. Let's get rid of him too. Dickhead, freaky boy was being nice to me by saying JB was the biggest 'dufus' instead of me. It is called self-deprecating humor, but you are too stupid to get it.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 05 23:53:22 JB is a worthless spammer. He couldnt accept his punishment and acted like a bitch. At least you took your punishment and didnt continue to spam.
KreeL Member	Mon Dec 06 00:27:03 No.
Hellfire Member	Mon Dec 06 00:33:12 Yes
Hot Rod Member	Mon Dec 06 01:02:45 Meanwhile Rudolph has never been punished.
freaky boy Member	Mon Dec 06 01:02:57 9Y 7N
roland Member	Mon Dec 06 01:24:58 "He should fake his death, only to come back at a later date under a different handle and act like nothing has happened. " +1
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 01:50:49 6n Arab and Muslim are the same poster. Right down to me getting the request from Muslim to create that account.
roland Member	Mon Dec 06 02:08:21 mine vote is no, just DA if he misbehave.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 02:10:03 We're not talking about a ban here. If that was an option it would have been done long ago.
freaky boy Member	Mon Dec 06 02:25:55 well if you're going to be a stickler for accuracy and reality. I figure, anyone who can keep up that many multis for all this time, deserves to be counted twice.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 02:29:32 Actually only a few weeks.
jergul Member	Mon Dec 06 03:02:11 No. But should be harassed at a level corresponding to his perceived use of multis.
Daemon Member	Mon Dec 06 03:45:23 No
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Dec 06 05:39:44 No. Besides, he won't leave anyway regardless of the score.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Dec 06 06:37:53 I don't really care what he does, but if I have to cast a vote on what he should do I vote no. Having said that, I think Camaban should continue to DoS him until such time that JB apologizes and stops.
Nimatzo Member	Mon Dec 06 06:40:29 I also agree with CS, fred does not get a vote. He is not a member of this forum, he left.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 06:43:48 Nimatzo, just so you know, I already apologized- 3 times. The day I flipped out and spammed the board, it was not the best thing to do, and I regretted the decision- mostly because it forced Camaban to shut the site down temporarily and deprived others of use of the board. That was not the objective, but it raised attention to what I felt was going on. So, yeah, I did regret that and I did apologize. Of course, the guy who was spamming my threads without any action on the part of Camaban was never addressed. And it is possible it is the same guy that is harassing Hot Rod. I don't know, as I don't follow that closely.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Dec 06 06:49:28 You only recently spammed a thread with 5 of your names, all agreeing with your post. You didn't apologise for that. Then you promised to spam the board 2 days ago.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 06:57:22 I don't have 5 active multis. If you add Jeddediah Wilkins, and one or two others, it might be 5 but I don't remember the password to that multi, or most of the others. The bottom line here is I apologized for my actions, but I have not seen an apology from the guy who spammed my threads. I have not seen an apology from Camamban for allowing my threads to be spammed without repercussions. And don't forget some of the spam on this board was the work of the spammer/copycat who was trying specifically to get me banned from here.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Dec 06 07:05:04 "I don't have 5 active multis. " Just cos you make up new ones each doesnt mean they are not multis. I vote constant persecution and DOS of JB. Should probably also take a close look at his tard twin HR who has been caught spamming de facto.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 06 07:12:58 No
Seb Member	Mon Dec 06 08:50:13 yes.
Dakyron Member	Mon Dec 06 09:21:11 Yes He continues to spam the board as Testee and should be banned.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 09:44:26 Dakyron, why would you accuse me of being testee? You are wrong on that.
Asgard Member	Mon Dec 06 09:45:03 Yes
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 09:46:48 Anyone who posts as miltonfriedman / Milton Friedman / Milton Freidman or any of its many variants is not counted. Anyone who posts as Milton Bradely/Milton Bradley /milton brady/ or any other "open" account is also not counted.
Asgard Member	Mon Dec 06 09:46:50 q - is JB the real JB who made Muzzle-Tov? I think it's fair to say no.
ehcks Member	Mon Dec 06 09:47:54 miltonfriedman is the real one, miltonfreidman is the multi you made just to say that he's a multi.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 09:48:30 testee is ehcks / miltonfriedman and also the same poster that harasses Hot Rod. Use your brain. Why would I attack Hot Rod, when Hot Rod is a Libertarian, and I hold a number of libertarian views?
Dakyron Member	Mon Dec 06 09:48:40 "Dakyron, why would you accuse me of being testee? " Simple. Testee spams the board frequently. You used to spam the board frequently. When you stopped spamming "testee" appeared and started doing it. Logic says you are testee.
ehcks Member	Mon Dec 06 09:50:58 "Why would I attack Hot Rod, when Hot Rod is a Libertarian, and I hold a number of libertarian views?" First, he's not libertarian. But neither are you. Second, to cause doubt. "I wouldn't attack the only guy I agree with, would I? (But I actually am, teehee.)"
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 09:53:19 "Simple. Testee spams the board frequently. You used to spam the board frequently. When you stopped spamming "testee" appeared and started doing it. Logic says you are testee. " That is the most retarded thing I have ever read. My spam was targeted, focused, and isolated to a particular moment in this board's history. For all his hatred of me, I'm sure even Camaban would confirm that, since he is the one who deletes all my shit. Don't be a dumbass Dakyron.
Assgay Member	Mon Dec 06 10:09:27 Yes.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Dec 06 10:13:40 no
Assgay Member	Mon Dec 06 10:14:49 Maybe.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Dec 06 10:18:12 We vote 7 x yes and 4 x no.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 10:20:31 Hot Rod is also not the only guy I've agreed with on the board.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 10:25:29 MB: The total is 7 yes and 12 no, as near as I can tell.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Dec 06 10:49:48 After you made a fake friedman account so you could dismiss him as a multi? 13-12 now go away.
Milfon Bradley Member	Mon Dec 06 10:50:32 I vote Milton bradley should get a dos
Milton Bradely Member	Mon Dec 06 10:50:56 I agree milton bradley should be banned.
miltonfreidman Member	Mon Dec 06 10:51:14 Yup. Me too.
militonfriedman Member	Mon Dec 06 10:53:44 Any account that starts with milton is widely regarded as a "multi" handle.
NeverWoods Member	Mon Dec 06 12:04:27 whats the score count?
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Mon Dec 06 12:45:51 I vote no, there are too few people here as it is with zero chance of ever getting new posters.
jergul Member	Mon Dec 06 12:48:51 *cue enter new poster tag*
KreeL Member	Mon Dec 06 14:46:53 I vote no on Milton Bradley and yes on Comabone.
Ninja Member	Mon Dec 06 15:02:11 Yes
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 15:14:17 Ninja = Aeros.
Ninja Member	Mon Dec 06 15:24:00 Are you that desperate to think people want you here or just that stupid to think we're the same person?
StereotypicalLiberal Member	Mon Dec 06 15:48:27 Umm... I am not the same person.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Dec 06 16:48:33 So I guess there is only 1 person who voted yes since anyone who voted "yes" is allegedly a mutli.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 16:54:57 Nope. Just the obvious and well known ones. 12 yes, even IF you count the multis. If you don't count the multis its like 9 yes. 13 No, all counted.
NeverWoods Member	Mon Dec 06 17:23:52 No.(clearly)
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 18:17:08 http://ata...&thread=40649&showdeleted=true
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 18:17:32 Fucking idiot whoever you are, stop deleting my shit you faggot piece of shit.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 18:18:49 Can you not fucking read? Over half the board rejects your assinine DOS against me.
Madc0w Member	Mon Dec 06 19:05:49 "The day I flipped out and spammed the board, it was not the best thing to do, and I regretted the decision- mostly because it forced Camaban to shut the site down temporarily and deprived others of use of the board." You spammed the board on more than one day, and I don't think anyone eve saw an apology from you.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:08:20 It is irrelevant now, MadcOw. This thread was never going to be honored by Camaban, as he had no intention. He was playing a little game, which you can read about in the moderator thread, unless it got deleted already. He already admitted that the wishes of the board do not matter to him. If you hurry you might catch the conversation before he deletes it.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:08:44 Still waiting to be shown where the DoS was mentioned...
Shalom Balagoles Member	Mon Dec 06 19:11:14 so do we vote or no?
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:13:17 Nope. Don't bother. Your votes don't count.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:14:47 Still waiting...
Nekran Member	Mon Dec 06 19:25:55 I prefer to keep myself out of all this nonsense, which is why you'll rarely see a post of mine in any of these rubbish drama threads, but fine: First off, if I were a mod, I'd only delete blatant spam. But then, you've confessed to spamming the boards and you are starting to spam them again now with anti-Camaban-threads it seems, as if you've got some sort of point, which you don't, as this thread really was never about DoS-ing you. So really I don't care if they do DoS you... why would I? I wouldn't do it if I were mod, but if Camaban would, I can understand that.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:26:48 The "deleted threads" are now my record of events. ;)
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:27:22 Which prove that Camaban has made this a personal thing. This is not between me and the boards, this is between me and Camaban, a moderator.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:28:56 Still waiting...
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:29:32 The board made their wishes known about me. Less than half said ban me. The other (more than) half said that I add some measure of interest. Yes, there were plenty of negative things said about me, but my skin is not so thin that I cannot tolerate that. The point is my character and personality here make the board more interesting. That's why my threads usually fill up to 100 posts. Camaban, however, is a law unto himself, and does not care that more than half the board voted for me to be permitted to stay. Now he is playing some technical bullshit, as well as admitting he will continue despite the votes.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:30:23 Still waiting... And what Nekran said.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:31:17 If you have anything meaningful to say, say it before this thread fills up rather than waste it repeating the same thing over and over again. This thread is your last chance to have un-DoS'ed posts on this forum.
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:31:38 "First off, if I were a mod, I'd only delete blatant spam. " You mean you would follow the rules which the board universally accepted. Perhaps you should be a moderator.
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:32:25 Actually more along the lines of this bit: "But then, you've confessed to spamming the boards and you are starting to spam them again now with anti-Camaban-threads it seems, ***as if you've got some sort of point, which you don't, as this thread really was never about DoS-ing you.***"
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:34:54 http://ata...&thread=40649&showdeleted=true I have never denied my spam the time I flipped out. I used my own handle. there was never any secret. But even THIS thread has been targetted by his vendetta: http://ata...&thread=40649&showdeleted=true The whole thing is a joke to him. That is how people get when they have power- even a small amount of it over some internet board with 15 or 20 members; they get a little perverted kick when they can exert it over someone. People like Camaban are the guys that work at the TSA and mess with people, and then laugh with their fat friends behind the counter: http://ata...&thread=40649&showdeleted=true
J.B. Member	Mon Dec 06 19:36:32 Camaban, you are that guy. You are that asshole that everyone hates. Your little clique- between you and jergul and Ass Madam- you are the worthless pricks who abuse their positions of authority. And for that neither of you deserve to be moderators.
Nekran Member	Mon Dec 06 19:39:26 "You mean you would follow the rules which the board universally accepted." We have those? I just wouldn't want any of the sort of drama you're yacking to Camaban about now... it's more of a laziness-thing. I'm really not all that sure if the board would be better off if the mods would mod like I would. The other points I made were indeed the more important ones, namely that you don't have a point and that I do understand Camaban, who I know on this board as someone not without reason. That's my final post on this shit... it's bad enough already that I usually read these threads, I'm definitely not gonna make a habit of participating in them. Bit of insomnia today... it's all Seb's fault with his mind-wrecking games!
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 19:42:14 >>it's all Seb's fault with his mind-wrecking games! << Anything you can suggest?
Nekran Member	Mon Dec 06 19:44:30 http://www...hread=40591&time=1291679821164 It's just that first link... devilish stuff!
juztav Member	Mon Dec 06 20:21:22 no
zavyx Member	Mon Dec 06 20:21:39
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Mon Dec 06 23:26:48 So what's the final count?
Camaban The Overseer	Mon Dec 06 23:32:11 Not enough to leave. However, he is disappointed to find out that this no to leaving vote didn't automatically equal yes to allowing him to post again.
Madc0w Member	Tue Dec 07 02:29:39 Not that I'm criticizing Camaban here, but I highly doubt popular vote matters much to him.
Camaban The Overseer	Tue Dec 07 03:05:03 Believe it or not, it does. You'll find that none of my successful persecutions have been done without popular backing. However, if I genuinely can't see what the problem is (if you'll recall the stink because I made a thread then deleted it and recreated it when I re-thought the title) those complaining do tend to get ignored as pointless whingers. Particularly as it's the same ones, over and over again. A recent example would be stickying a thread asking for an explanation from TC (that he's still chickened out from) A couple of common whingers complained. They got ignored. Someone who hadn't abused his right to complain complained, it was taken down. When all is said and done, I'm the people's mod ;-)
Nimatzo Member	Tue Dec 07 07:03:40 So the question is, how do we get past this? Obviously JB wants to post here again and the members are not overwhelmingly negative to that. I dont feel that his transgression was unforgivable. And if he can stay away from spamming he should be able to post here again. I am assuming that what he said is true that he has appologized for his past spamming. What do you say Camaban?
Silence PEASANT Member	Tue Dec 07 12:07:36 Do not question me!
Camaban The Overseer	Tue Dec 07 16:46:11 I say I wouldn't trust him an inch, but I will him to post (not create threads) under one name and obviously, not spamming if he proves that he is JB by creating a post here, then mirroring it later under JB's real tag on Muzzle.
Camaban The Overseer	Tue Dec 07 16:46:27 I say I wouldn't trust him an inch, but I will allow him to post (not create threads) under one name and obviously, not spamming if he proves that he is JB by creating a post here, then mirroring it later under JB's real tag on Muzzle.
Camaban The Overseer	Tue Dec 07 16:47:44 A 15 minute minimum pause between them would be best, to remove any possibility of server times being different and causing confusion.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 08 05:03:37 What is most irritating about JB is his childishly obvious multitude of multis 'agreeing' with him.
Power Trip Member	Wed Dec 08 06:29:06 "I say I wouldn't trust him an inch, but I will allow him to post (not create threads) under one name and obviously, not spamming if he proves that he is JB by creating a post here, then mirroring it later under JB's real tag on Muzzle. " Join me on a journey; trip to the land of power. Because I'm on a fucking power trip, bitches. You will "allow him"? Dude, I think the board makes the decisions- which they did- not you.
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Dec 08 07:05:47 'What is most irritating about JB is his childishly obvious multitude of multis 'agreeing' with him.' ^ Case in point.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 08 07:30:31 How about we all get permabanned? Except JB. Then we all move to muzzlefree and JB can still spam in here.
J.B. Member	Wed Dec 08 08:13:09 Camaban, you ignore the wishes of the board. They've plainly made their wishes known. They disagree with my views, but do not want me banned/exiled/DOS'd or anything else. The rules- which the members essentially defacto ratified- are that SPAM gets deleted when it is blatant and obvious spam. Labeling every word that someone posts as "spam" because you personally hate that person is what you have done. You have no right to ban anyone, or declare someone an enemy of the forum, or do anything on your own. You are not the president of the board, you are a moderator, elected to do the job that the board wants you to do. And like pretty much every elected official, you have somehow gotten it into your head that you have power which exceeds your mandate. Look, do I get under people's skin? OF COURSE. Do I inspire hate, anger, irritation, or other powerfully motivating responses? OF COURSE. I am the absolute embodiment of a right wing conservative, with a lot of real world experience, an extensive knowledge in religion, finance, banking, and international affairs. This means I can hold my own in debates that are non-technical. The fact that I have legitimately embarassed some of the smarter and more opinionated posters here through debate has polarized a couple of them highly against me. I also wear some bigotry on my sleeve, and that offends people who are gay or part of certain ethnicities/backgrounds. But along with that I am willing to concede that my bigotry can be a weakness, and people who debate this with me have the opportunity to exploit that weakness. If I was not wanted here, then my threads would not fill up. So, I'm not asking people to like me. That's not a pre-requisite here. I'm not asking people to agree with me. Nobody wants to post on a board where we all agree and hold hands and play with each other's testicles. This place is- and always has been an open forum for discussion of all kinds, and I am one of the early contributors who made this place have the "flavor" that it has enjoyed for so long. You may not agree with what I say, you may hate me and my views, but you should welcome the right for me- and all others to post here. You are WAY out of line, Camaban and you have completely dishonored your "office", and defied the wishes of the board. You are basically telling everyone here to fuck off, and overriding everyone else- just like a typical politician that cannot swallow their own ego and serve the public. You also blatantly admitted that my "ban"/DOS is a result of your personal wishes, and that it has nothing to do with the wishes of the board to keep this place diverse. Anything that makes you look bad, you are a coward and immediately delete it. Look at the arrogance you display, talking about "allowing" me to post. Is this the role of a moderator? To "allow" people to post controversial comments? Or to delete spam? Controversy is the lifeblood of this forum, and again, if it were not of interest, then the threads I make would not fill up. Anyone here can go to the "Deleted Threads" forum and see that my threads fill up with comments so long as they are permitted to exist. They get up to 50 or more posts and then you quickly delete them as soon as you get the opportunity. You lack honor, integrity, and you are radically biased. In the hands of a moderator your mental composition spells disaster, and it is the reason Hot Rod, myself, Rugian, and Garyd can't regularly have discussions here because you- a moderator- can't just do your job of deleting spam. You can't allow ideas to compete in the arena, you find yourself PERMITTING spam which degrades the conservatives, while selectively targetting our comments for deletion. I think the board made their case in this thread (which you also heavily censored). Anyone can click on "Show deleted posts" and see that you censored this thread heavily. Nobody voted for you to be the supreme overlord, and even your own HANDLE reveals how you see yourself.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 08 08:15:18 Camaban = superb mod
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Dec 08 15:43:16 Wow that was a long post. *click* Anyhow, I take it that was a rejection of my offer. It won't be made again.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Dec 08 15:44:14 Is this a threat?
Camaban The Overseer	Wed Dec 08 15:47:05 A threat? No, a statement of what's happened. I made an offer, it was rejected. Once an offer is rejected, it's no longer on the table unless it's re-made. A counter-offer is also rejection of the initial one.
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