Utopia Talk / Politics / The oil moratorium

The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:06:27 If the moratorium sticks the tax payer is on the hook for the lost wages, estimated $330,000,000 per month. If the rigs are moved to other shores those jobs are lost for years. We are spending in excess of $700,000,000 a year on foreign oil. We will have to spend even more to replace the oil lost because of the moratorium. We lent $2,000,000,000 to the Brazilian Oil Company last year. Chances are much of the replacement oil will come from Brazil Deepwater Horizon was drilled at 5000 feet. The Brazilians have a plan on the drawing board to drill at 14,000 feet. Who is a major stockholder on The Brazil;ian Oil Company?
Cloud Strife Member	Mon Jun 21 17:07:27 Dick Cheney?
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:08:43 Nope.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:09:05 Someone jewish?
Cloud Strife Member	Mon Jun 21 17:10:37 We don't say stockholder `on' a company btw, dead guy.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:11:58 George Soros
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:12:34 and yes, I believe George Soros is Jewish :P
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:14:17 > - Someone jewish? Jewish / Atheist CS, sorry. A typo.
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:18:13 Paramount is correct. It is indeed George Soros.
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:20:06 He stands to make Billions from the moratorium.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:21:35 Of course I am. I'm almost always correct. You should now this by now.
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:22:38 Almost. :)
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:22:47 Bogus Brazilian Oil Claims Q: Did Obama loan $2 billion to Brazilâ??s oil company to benefit China and George Soros? A: The president had nothing to do with the loan, which the Export-Import Bank approved for Brazil to buy U.S.-made equipment and services. Read the whole thing here: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:24:55 So who made the decision for the Export-Import Bank?
Hrothgar Member	Mon Jun 21 17:27:04 The other way to look at it is thus: If there is no moratorium and time provided to setup a better framework for deep well drilling, and another spill happens of similar magnitude - it would make the cost of the moratorium look like peanuts in the long run. You would for sure see an anti-offshore drilling movement in the public similar to what happened to nuclear power after 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl. Offshore oil drilling could be basically abandoned for decades if another spill happens within the next 5-10 years. Looking at it that way helps the 6 months off to make sure safety requirements and enforcement are up to snuff sound not quite so bad.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:27:24 Follow the Link. "The Ex-Im Bank states: "In fact, at the time the Bankâ??s Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush.""
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 21 17:29:23 http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:35:46 Another round of anal raping on Hot Rod/The Guardian!
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:36:55 Also-We can't talk to you because you're dead
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:37:35 Hrothgar - Looking at it that way helps the 6 months off to make sure safety requirements and enforcement are up to snuff sound not quite so bad. If the owners of those rigs pull out it will be years not months before we are drilling again. In the meantime those jobs will be gone and when and if they return we will not have any experienced deep water workers. This could end up costing The American People close to another Trillion Dollars.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:38:30 We can't talk to you because you're dead
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:44:56 Paramount - Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. "Fact: The Bankâ??s bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank." "President Barack Obama nominated Hochberg to the position on April 20, 2009." In case anyone is interested Hochberg was also the chairman of the committee on April 14, 2009.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:45:17 We can't talk to you because you're dead
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 17:51:11 Fred Hochberg "In 1998 Hochberg became deputy administrator of the Small Business Administration, later becoming the organization's acting administrator. He remained in post at the SBA until January 2001, serving also on US President Bill Clinton's Management Council. Later, Hochberg was an Agency Review team leader for the SBA on then-President-elect Barack Obama's transition team.[6][7] Press reports had suggested Hochberg might be chosen as Obama's Secretary of Commerce, becoming the first openly LBGT member of the US Cabinet,[8] but ABC News reported on January 9 2009 that Hochberg would instead be appointed chair of the Export-Import Bank of the United States, which finances the sale of US exports."
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:52:44 We can't talk to you because you're dead
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:52:50 We can't talk to you because you're dead
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 17:52:53 We can't talk to you because you're dead
WaitAMinute Member	Mon Jun 21 18:04:54 We can't talk to you because you're dead
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 18:06:49 We can't talk to you because you're dead
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 18:06:53 We can't talk to you because you're dead
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 18:09:26 Nice to see all of the extreme left wing nuts protecting their Messiah.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 18:10:16 We can't talk to you because you're dead
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 18:14:00 ^-Obama hack.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 18:17:52 We can't talk to you because you're dead
Adolf Hitler Member	Mon Jun 21 18:18:56 ^ correct.
Hrothgar Member	Mon Jun 21 18:18:59 "If the owners of those rigs pull out it will be years not months before we are drilling again. In the meantime those jobs will be gone and when and if they return we will not have any experienced deep water workers. This could end up costing The American People close to another Trillion Dollars." It will cost a hellovalot more than that if there is another deep water oil blowout with similar containment issues in the next 5-10 years. Like I said, at that point you would start seeing serious public backlash against any offshore drilling at all.
Madc0w Member	Mon Jun 21 21:25:22 Good work Paramount. There's no conspiracy here, at least none that HR can prove.
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 22:24:18 I think my posts are valid enough to make all but thje most rabid hacks a little suspicious. Guess that makes you one of those rabid hacks.
miltonfriedman Member	Mon Jun 21 22:29:32 We can't talk to you because you're dead
Madc0w Member	Mon Jun 21 22:30:44 I find that factcheck.org debunked what you posted.
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 22:40:24 So post your fartcheck idiot.
Madc0w Member	Mon Jun 21 22:41:18 You idiot, look at Paramount's link
The Guardian Member	Mon Jun 21 23:49:52 The way you phrased it dickhead it sounded like you found something in factcheck. After reading it I see nothing that refuts my posts. As a matter of fact it supports what I posted. Hell, it even makes Soros look more culpable.
Madc0w Member	Tue Jun 22 00:13:41 You try to incriminate the Obama administration, when in fact Bush appointees were the ones who approved the loan. How the hell does it make Soros look more culpable? He sold 22 million shares of the stock. I bet you wouldn't dare question Halliburton's connections to Dick Cheney, though, would you? I'm going to bed. Maybe tomorrow morning you will wake up a much wiser, more intelligent person.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 00:21:14 I'm not trying to incriminate anyone, I am just reporting facts. It is you guys that are taking those facts and trying to spin them to make Bush look guilty. There is a reason they call it preferred stack.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 00:27:35 Because of this moratorium thereare 150,000 jobs at stake.
Ninja Member	Tue Jun 22 00:31:00 "I'm not trying to incriminate anyone, I am just reporting facts." been sucking Glenn Beck's dick much?
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 00:33:22 That is what you call refuting facts? Looks more like you have accepted everything I said as gospel truth.
Ninja Member	Tue Jun 22 00:36:45 No, you're so brain dead your "facts" are beyond retarded. Go fake your death again you tool.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 00:39:28 In other words you have no rebuttle, you only have childish insults. I never expected anything more from you.
habebe Member	Tue Jun 22 00:42:59 " Because of this moratorium thereare 150,000 jobs at stake" To be fair another spill of this magnitude would cost even more. Really they should do several things before they end this. 1.Figure out a reliable way to stop these in the future if all fails. 2. Have an effective cleanup/Containment strategy. . 3. Go over the ways to prevent this and other spills. What went wrong, what else could have reasonably gone wrong etc. then what could we do to prevent them.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 00:45:48 In the meantime, "If the owners of those rigs pull out it will be years not months before we are drilling again. In the meantime those jobs will be gone and when and if they return we will not have any experienced deep water workers. This could end up costing The American People close to another Trillion Dollars."
Dickhead UPer Member	Tue Jun 22 00:54:46 Proven wrong again. But can't accept it. Oh can't talk to you because youre dead or whatever. Pedo.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 01:02:29 ^-He sure picked the right name didn't he. But nice to see that just like Ninja he totally agrees with all of my posts.
Ninja Member	Tue Jun 22 01:04:39 "This could end up costing The American People close to another Trillion Dollars." The oil doesn't go anywhere, once people figure out how to safely extract it the oil will still be there for them to drill and probably at a better price. Plus, those workers that would be drilling oil are free to find other jobs, your trillion dollar freakout is absurd.
The Guardian Member	Tue Jun 22 05:37:06 I am speaking in terms of the balance of trade. The domestic oil we lose will have to come from overseas. We are already in the hole fir $700 Million a year for foreign oil. Not sure how much domestic oil we will lose, but I imagine that 150,000 workers are pumping a heck of a lot of oil that we will have to buy elsewhere.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jun 22 05:47:04 It's sad the number of males that are basically women out there. Grow some fucking balls. Actually accomplishing something involves mistakes. When it happens, fix it quickly and effectively and move on. Regulators don't do shit nor would they have prevented much of the bad stuff that has happened. In fact many were complicit in forcing companies to make bad loans to minorities because of affirmative-action bullshit. The biggest culprit in the financial crisis was loose money powered by an incompetent Fed, not securitization. The main point being, actually getting shit done involves mistakes. Be on the side of the baller not the whiner.
Cloud Strife Member	Tue Jun 22 12:12:58 ` There is a reason they call it preferred stack. ' And I am willing to guess that you're quess as to why they call it preferred stack(sic) is completely lost on you.
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