Utopia Talk / Politics / Rush Limbaugh on the oil spill

Madc0w Member	Sun May 09 00:23:45 http://www...hotos-the_n_565016.html#s88261 On Limbaugh's April 29 program, he raised the possibility that the oil spill is all an environmentalist conspiracy: "Now, lest we forget, ladies and gentlemen, the carbon tax bill, cap and trade that was scheduled to be announced on Earth Day. I remember that. And then it was postponed for a couple of days later after Earth Day, and then of course immigration has now moved in front of it. But this bill, the cap-and-trade bill, was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentalist wackos because it supposedly allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants, nuclear plant investment. So, since they're sending SWAT teams down there, folks, since they're sending SWAT teams to inspect the other rigs, what better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig? I'm just noting the timing here." He added later: "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is." So the oil spill is natural. It's a damn shame these idiots get paid millions of dollars to do nothing but talk out their ass.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 00:25:23 Haha you are pathetic.
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 00:36:45 Rush is pretty much correct. Some oil washes up on the shore from natural underwater seeps. Nature pretty much takes care of it. E.L.F. and a few other Eco terrorists groups would cheerfully blow up and oil rig especially iof they thought it might forstall off shore drilling. Hell they burned a bunch of SUVs in Georgia a while back and did more enverionmental damage than if the things had all been drive for the next twenty years.
Hrothgar Member	Sun May 09 00:46:26 Go tell the people living anywhere near the Exxon spill of 1989 that it's natural. Their beeches, ocean animal live, and general environment is still out of whack. You seriously think it's "normal" for black oilly sludge to be covering beeches killing animals for hundreds/thousands of miles up and down a coast? Because that's what is going to happen if they can't stop that junk.
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 00:53:03 Hrothgar you're wrong in fact it is hard to tell according to some sources that exxon valdez ever happened. It takes time but nature will generally clean up after us as it did before us. Granted natural seeps are generally not of this magnitude. And we should do what we can to prevent it. But it wasn't Rush's point to say don't try to do what we can to control this.
eds Member	Sun May 09 01:26:33
eds Member	Sun May 09 01:26:58 i cant believe you're defending what he said. you're godamned morons.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 02:11:59 Kill yourself Oilboy.
Dukhat Member	Sun May 09 05:25:23 Its true that if they stop the spill the oil will be contained. Warm water tends to absorb dissolve the oil very slowly. Saddam tried to block a landing by blowing up oil rigs near the ocean but it ended up getting dissipated later.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 05:30:16 "Hrothgar you're wrong in fact it is hard to tell according to some sources that exxon valdez ever happened" rofl garyduh and his non existent sources...and if such a source actually exists its gonna be of the same credibility and source as a murderers testimony that he's completely innocent. Only a fucking retard like garyduh takes the murder suspects version as fact.
Forwyn Member	Sun May 09 06:17:35 Yep, idiotic. And I've heard it multiple times on UP as well.
RepublicanRetard Member	Sun May 09 06:38:57 DRILL BABY DRILL
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 06:45:36 As opposed to turning off every piece of machinery that runs on oil.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 07:04:44 "Hrothgar you're wrong in fact it is hard to tell according to some sources that exxon valdez ever happened" You do know there is a video out there that did document the valdez and the cleanup. Let me ask you a question GaryD please answer as honest as you can. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 07:38:03 Yes we cleaned up after it and we should have that's not the argument here. The argument is that now 20 years after the event there is little to no significant environmental impact. Directly associated with it.
Dukhat Member	Sun May 09 07:43:51 Valdez was a disaster because the water was very cold too. The oil couldn't be cleaned up unless humans were involved. If you just simply plugged up the BP leak, the warm water would eventually wash away the oil. Though at this rate, there is a ton of oil out there to be plugged up.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 07:51:18 "The argument is that now 20 years after the event there is little to no significant environmental impact. Directly associated with it." Nice of you to switch footing, now provide a source. "Valdez was a disaster because the water was very cold too. The oil couldn't be cleaned up unless humans were involved." How does cold water effect oil spill? "If you just simply plugged up the BP leak, the warm water would eventually wash away the oil." Wash it away where exactly, do you think it will magically dissolve?
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 07:54:06 http://www...fm?id=environmental-effects-of Environmental Effects of Exxon Valdez Spill Still Being Felt On March 24, 1989, the Exxon Valdez ran aground in northern Prince William Sound, spilling 42 million liters of crude oil and contaminating 1,990 kilometers of shoreline. Some 2,000 sea otters, 302 harbor seals and about 250,000 seabirds died in the days immediately following the spill. Now researchers writing in the journal Science caution that more than a decade later, a significant amount of oil still persists and the long-term impacts of oil spills may be more devastating than previously thought. Charles H. Peterson of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and his colleagues compiled and analyzed the findings of dozens of previous studies. The results, Peterson says, "showed that oil has persisted in surprisingly large quantities for years after the Exxon Valdez spill in subsurface reservoirs under coarse intertidal sediments. This oil was sequestered in conditions where weathering by wave action, light and bacteria was inhibited, and toxicity remained for a decade or more." Exposure to this oil, in turn, caused additional animal deaths. Salmon, for example, had increased mortality for four years after the spill because incubating eggs had come into contact with it. Larger marine mammals and ducks, meanwhile, suffered ill effects because their prey was contaminated. The team estimates that shoreline habitats such as mussel beds affected by the spill will take up to 30 years to recover fully. The findings should inform the development of better ways to assess the ecological risks of large-scale oil spills, the scientists say. In addition, the work applies to other areas of environmental remediation. "Recognition that chronic exposures of fish eggs to oil concentrations as low as a few parts per billion lead indirectly to higher mortality shows the critical need to better control stormwater runoff of petroleum hydrocarbons and other toxins," Peterson remarks. "In a developed country like the U.S., an amount of petroleum equal to the Exxon Valdez oil spill is spilled annually for every 50 million people."
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 08:03:48 Given that the only people currently available witout a far more thorough going research effort than I am willing to make at this time consist of a council whose high paying jobs exist only because of the oil spill and therefore have a self interest in magnifying the damage whenever possible I'm not entirely sure that I choose to trust their pronouncements in this regard. There is after all something of a conflict of interest.
Hot Cack Member	Sun May 09 08:07:56 so it takes about 10 to 30 years for nature to break down the oil. laissez faire ftw
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 08:12:05 If the world was devastated by a nuclear war, nature would eventually recover. Of course humans would no longer exist and there would most likely be many new breeds of animals and insects, but would thrive again. Eventually.
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 08:25:45 Did I argue for a Lassez fair approach nope sorry try again...
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 08:29:46 Nor did I. We were just stateing the facts. Something that always seems to elude posters like Hot Cack.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 08:32:01 "whose high paying jobs exist only because of the oil spill and therefore have a self interest in magnifying the damage whenever possible I'm not entirely sure that I choose to trust their" Again What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you brain damaged? Show us a source or shut the fuck up, you brain damaged monkey.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 08:34:33 I saw where Exxon agrees with Garyd, are you ready to accept their opinion NeverWoods?
habebe Member	Sun May 09 08:50:18 MORE than a week after an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 11 of the rig's workers are still unaccounted for. The US Coast Guard reckons that 5,000 barrels of oil are leaking out every day, though this is really an informed guess. The great depth of the leaks from the rig makes staunching them a huge technical challenge. Despite the development of some fancy new techniques to deal with oil spills there is a sense of inevitability about the oil's arrival on shore. The spill is embarrassing for those Republicans who have campaigned for more off-shore drilling. It is embarrassing too for Barack Obama, who accepted more drilling off the coast to ease the passage of legislation on climate change. On April 30th the White House announced that new off-shore drilling would be suspended until the cause of the accident could be verified. Every type of disaster, whether tsunami (Asian), volcano (Krakatoa), or hurricane (Katrina), has its own metric. When it comes to oil spills the Exxon Valdez rules the waves. The oil spill (from a tanker) happened in Prince William Sound in Alaska in 1989. Although the amount of oil spewing into the Gulf today sounds scary, it is quite small compared with Exxon Valdez, which itself was a relatively small spill. Five thousand barrels a day is the equivalent of 210,000 gallons of oil. The Exxon Valdez spilt 11m gallons, so it will take some time for the spill in the Gulf of Mexico to equal it. However one of the first lessons from the Exxon Valedez is that it is not the quantity of oil released that is important, but where it ends up. What made that spill synonymous with environmental devastation was that the oil that reached the coast then slurped over 1,200 miles of pristine shoreline. The scale of the current disaster in the Gulf of Mexico will be directly related to where the oil comes ashore. Louisianaâ??s coastline features some important and vulnerable habitats and nature reserves. There is also a thriving fishing industry, providing shrimp and oysters. The concentration of the oil is important too. Marine lubricants, oils used to lubricate marine engine parts and hydraulic equipment, leak from the back of all the worldâ??s ships. Every year four-and-a-half times the quantity spilled by the Exxon Valdez is poured into the ocean and nobody bats an eyelid. This does not mean that it is harmless (environmental groups are campaigning to reduce it), but the point is that if oil is dispersed into the ocean where it biodegrades naturally, its effects are less damaging. Indeed, much more oil seeps from the sea bed around the world naturally than from spills and shipping, says Simon Boxall from the University of Southampton. But when a large amount of oil is released in a single place it causes direct hazards for marine wildlife. The best way of minimising damage is to protect sensitive areas with floating dams, or booms. However experts reckon that the size of the spill will exhaust the worldâ??s supply of booms very quickly. The regionâ??s best hope is that the wind blows most of the slick offshore, in which case little needs to be done. Intervention with dispersants and surfactants can create more damage than it prevents. Crude oil is a natural product which disperses and biodegrades in the ocean fairly rapidly, although some of it may remain over the longer term. A study released earlier this year found evidence of ongoing environmental damage in Prince William Sound 21 years after the Exxon Valdez. Older reports found that about 20,000 gallons of oil could be found there 14 years after the disaster. Prince William Sound is recovering. But it has taken an awfully long time to do so. http://www...laystory.cfm?story_id=16036754 Keep in mind that with the exceptiopn of their support for free trade that the economist is very left leaning institution.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 08:50:42 What the fuck are you on about?
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 08:52:48 @ gurdian.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 08:56:22 Scratch my last, I did not think it through.
The Sentinel Member	Sun May 09 08:58:29 Crazy talk, oil spills have no environmental implications whatsoever. LOL!
The Sentinel Member	Sun May 09 08:59:05 "Scratch my last, I did not think it through." No, really?!
Aeros Member	Sun May 09 09:09:08 Does anyone else find it alarming how paranoid and delusions the Right Wing in America has become about people who make it their careers to be intelligent and educators? I love the "I don't understand a word this guy said, so he must be wrong" argument.
habebe Member	Sun May 09 09:11:53 Aeros, What are you talking about?
Aeros Member	Sun May 09 09:12:44 Garyd Member Sun May 09 08:03:48 Given that the only people currently available witout a far more thorough going research effort than I am willing to make at this time consist of a council whose high paying jobs exist only because of the oil spill and therefore have a self interest in magnifying the damage whenever possible I'm not entirely sure that I choose to trust their pronouncements in this regard.
habebe Member	Sun May 09 09:15:34 Gotcha.
RepublicanRetard Member	Sun May 09 09:17:23 "11 of the rig's workers are still unaccounted for." Nature pretty much takes care of it.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 10:17:33 hot rod and garyduh really need a bullet in their heads for all the damage these people cause to other innocents for their greed.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 10:18:22 "Does anyone else find it alarming how paranoid and delusions the Right Wing in America has become about people who make it their careers to be intelligent and educators?" Its the stupid fearing the smarter people.
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 10:26:48 Adolf Hitler Member Sun May 09 10:17:33 hot rod and garyduh really need a bullet in their heads for all the damage these people cause to other innocents for their greed. Sad thing is that they are not greedy and have nothing to gain. They just are two sad old people who have thrown in their lot with the popular ideology in their time and now are too old to change. For them to stop repeating the neo-con agenda would be like confirming that their sad lives have been a complete waste.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 10:28:45 Well, its true that theyve been taught that greed is good. Even sadder, theyve been taught that their lords and masters greed is good for them, the serfs...tragic really.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 10:30:41 But once you pass, say 40, you should have had time (if you're intelligent), to question most of the morals you were born into and choose with an adult mind, rather than whats been spoonfed to you as a child. Therefore, no mitigating circumstances at their age. They're just bad people.
Dukhat Member	Sun May 09 10:41:07 The Economist is Center-Right for the UK but more in-line with the democrats for the US. Free Trade, Tough on Foreign policy but leftist on domestic policy. They said the bill was stupid and wouldn't reduce costs but still supported it because they said it was "morally" reprehensible of the US not to cover everyone (which won't happen because of the bill anyways). I cancelled my subscription a while back after all their trumpeting of Obama.
garyd Member	Sun May 09 11:05:18 Yeah aeros there's know conflict of interest there. They just get paid by the government to find something wrong and if they don't the job goes away... You just keep your head buried in the sand and pretend that everyone with a government job is oh so noble and self sacrificing unless of course they wear a uniform... Ye Gawds what a blind ignoramus.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 11:33:35 Actually I was raised a democrat, it was only after I learned to think I became a Conservative.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 11:42:40 why does anyone ever listen to rush limbaugh? the turds I flush down the toilet are more intelligent than that fuck. I'd even say Isaksson has a better grasp on reality. and he's fuckin nuts. and anyone who's agreeing with this retarded dribble needs to get themselves checked.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 11:44:08 He gets 20 million listeners during the week. He clearly isn't an idiot. He is entertaining and this, like most things, is a joke playing on the liberal stereotypes of him. If you were a regular listener you'd realize most of the "scandals" that liberals dredge up from his 3 hour show are usually just jokes to play on liberals, such as how this is playing out now.
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 11:44:34 Garyd sounds like Kreel when it suits him.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 11:49:05 we're basing intelligence on popularity now? GREAT FUCKING ARGUMENT! I don't have a response to that.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 11:52:55 Id argue you need to have some level of intelligence to be able to entertain listeners on the radio for as long as he has.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 11:59:30 please. I've heard retarded radio broadcasters that have had a show for years. all you need is to create a name for yourself in the first few years. and creating a name for yourself doesn't involve anything intelligent. just look to anything social and constant. high school, college, work, etc. it doesn't take intelligence to create a following. at all. craftiness, maybe a bit of cleverness, but not intelligence.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 12:02:15 yeah, how big of a following do you have again?
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 12:06:55 how many attempts have I made? how many times have I appeared on the radio? how much do I care about having a following? bad example. especially with me.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 12:09:18 Christ, theyre so fucking stupid...McDonalds fast food thinking for McDonalds fast food people.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 12:09:22 then how many people have failed in radio. jesus
habebe Member	Sun May 09 12:09:44 " why does anyone ever listen to rush limbaugh? the turds I flush down the toilet are more intelligent than that fuck. I'd even say Isaksson has a better grasp on reality. and he's fuckin nuts. " Well, again like most other political commentators, they make money by sounding "sensational", I don't know if I would call that stupid, I mean he knows what his listeners want to hear. Look at Glenn Beck.Back when he was on CNN he wasn't that crazy/sensational, but he wasn't nearly as wealthy/popular either.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 12:10:36 he was the same way on headline cnn.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 12:14:17 good point mt. go find all those people and a semi-decent way to measure their intelligence. like, honestly. this is fucking psy 101 bullshit.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 12:18:42 Its sad they cant grasp the difference between the two concepts quality and quantity.
Nimatzo Member	Sun May 09 12:29:21 So according to mexicantornado Madonna or whoever is the best selling artist is the most intelligent person alive. You fuckin moron.
Madc0w Member	Sun May 09 12:30:13 How is saying something stupid "playing a joke on liberals"?
habebe Member	Sun May 09 12:31:25 " So according to mexicantornado Madonna or whoever is the best selling artist is the most intelligent person alive. You fuckin moron." That is the same logic that some people used to say that Gore should have been elected as well.
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 12:53:02 There's no way Rush could be serious about the topic, only liberals and stupid people would take what Rush said regarding the oil spill seriously.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 13:01:29 "That is the same logic that some people used to say that Gore should have been elected as well." I would really like to know what that means.
habebe Member	Sun May 09 13:03:06 NW, What do you mean? he won the popular vote.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:05:32 Seriously, you people cant distinguish between quantity and quality? Between McDonalds and Kobe beef? Between nonsense about Michelles shoes and boring news like fatalities in Iraq? Seriously?
habebe Member	Sun May 09 13:06:08 AH, Are you talking to me?
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:10:36 Whoever...Its funny that you guys whine about there being so much nonsense in the news instead of real, hard news, knowing perfectly well why they report on nonsense: because it sells better - and yet you completely ignore that perfectly obvious aspect when it comes to one of the idiot racists on far right radio...
habebe Member	Sun May 09 13:13:07 Welcome to info-tainment.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:14:05 Indeed. Whats good about info-tainment? It sells better than just news!
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 13:15:07 "NW, What do you mean? he won the popular vote." Why then the need for US supreme court to decided the winner? You must be very blind, but no matter how you look at it, it has a clear controversial elements. And your logic sucks ass.
habebe Member	Sun May 09 13:19:22 " Why then the need for US supreme court to decided the winner? " So we wouldn't have unlimited re-counts, Bush won in both counts IIRC.Gore won the popular vote which means nothing, presidents are elected by the states, not the people directly. What is the difference? if someone thinks that Brittney spears is the best artist in the world because she sold the most records or if people think Gore should have been president because he got the most votes, both are using faulty logic.
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 13:19:27 Adolph you poor lick spittle exactly has is this any worse than the usual if it bleeds it leads syndome that infest most left wing propaganda er news outlets? It is still sensationalism its just the flip side of the same coin.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:28:57 wtf did the lunatic cunt just try to say? lol
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 13:30:47 has should be how
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:33:05 "Adolph you poor lick spittle exactly has is this any worse than the usual if it bleeds it leads syndome" God knows what you mean by this redneck dialectal metaphor, but wtf said it was, you miserable lunatic cunt?
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 13:45:41 charper, why dont you look at his correction instead of beating up a log?
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 13:47:35 You're busy acting like Limbaugh is unique or something he isn't. Everyone on the news goes for the spectacular, the apt sound byte etc. You pussilanimous, psychopathic pile of ponderous putrid pablum.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 13:53:24 HR doesnt understand what I post and garyduh lies illiterately about what I post...gotta love tweedledumb and tweedledumber, UP's fornicating followers of far right fascism.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 14:01:37 No one is going to understand the crap you post as long as you avoid what he said and make weak assed flames instead. When you going to grow up and learn to carry on an adult conversation?
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 14:02:55 No, just you...even garyduh understood it lol...
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 14:02:56 "So according to mexicantornado Madonna or whoever is the best selling artist is the most intelligent person alive. " When did I say Rush was a genius? Haha you are retarded.
Garyd Member	Sun May 09 14:03:28 Appretnly somewhere around the 12th of never.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 14:05:23 12th of never, That would have been Johnny Mathis.
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 14:07:07 The Guardian Member Sun May 09 14:05:23 12th of never, That would have been Johnny Mathis. I now also believe that TG is HR.
mexicantornado Member	Sun May 09 14:07:42 I simply disagreed with Clit's sentiments that Limbaugh is dumber then the turds he produces daily. It takes a level of intelligence to be able to continue to succeed in an industry like radio where making a name for yourself is incredibly difficult and he is the biggest name in radio ever.
Adolf Hitler Member	Sun May 09 14:08:10 There was actually someone else other than garyduh who didnt???
General Public Member	Sun May 09 14:10:01 Successful liberal/progressive radio shows????
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 14:12:49 >I now also believe that TG is HR. MPS, if you know who Johnny Mathis is, I submit that you are HR.
General Public Member	Sun May 09 14:12:54 *chirp*
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 14:16:46 I googled him.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 14:19:44 Sure you did.
MultiProblemSolved Member	Sun May 09 14:21:16 Alright I am HR, but I am also TG, Angel, JPJ and TS.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 14:26:14 Now you are in for it. ^-HEY CHARPER
Hrothgar Member	Sun May 09 14:30:31 Oh my hell. I cannot believe anyone is actually claiming that the Exxon spill is completely gone after 20 years. http://new.../090323-exxon-anniversary.html Every source you can find in the world claims otherwise, not to mentions entire species of fish that disappeared and have never returned. Fishermen anywhere in the vicinity of that spell would punch you in the face for claiming it's all clean and sparkles up there.
Charpey Member	Sun May 09 14:30:41 thats me! whos dick can i suck? :)
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eds Member	Sun May 09 16:01:20 My god GaryD you are a fucking disgrace to the human species. If I had to choose between saving a gorilla or you in a life or death situation, it would be the gorilla without hesitation. I hereby petition your continued existence. Signed, eds
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 16:11:45 habebe it was a very close election and for you to ever to compare the 2 issues and claim it's the same thing, you got to be very blind to see any logic in that.
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 16:13:19 hell read about it in wiki and find out what made it controversial then get back to me.
Clitoral Hood The Bloody Scourge	Sun May 09 16:23:18 @ mt: and again, I'm saying that it doesn't take intelligence to be successful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence there's a correlation between EQ and success. there is no correlation between IQ and success. there's also no correlation between EQ and IQ. so your statement that 'he is successful, therefore he must be at least somewhat intelligent' has absolutely no validity to it. EQ, sure. he's very good at playing to people's emotions. but that doesn't make him intelligent in any way. same goes for glenn beck.
The Guardian Member	Sun May 09 16:30:04 Success is getting what you want, Happiness is wanting what you get. -Dale Carnegie
NeverWoods Member	Sun May 09 16:33:45 On both account wrong. I have better quotes on Success and happiness from greater men.
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