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Hot Rod Member	Mon Nov 02 18:45:27 CIT Group Briefing.com posted: 3 HOURS 39 MINUTES AGO Troubled CIT Group (CIT 0.42, -0.30) ended months of speculation over the weekend when its board approved a prepackaged bankruptcy plan. CIT said approximately 90% of its debtholders approved the plan. The company is asking the court for a quick confirmation of the prepackaged plan. Under the plan, CIT expects to reduce total debt by approximately $10 billion, significantly reduce its liquidity needs over the next three years, enhance its capital ratios and accelerate its return to profitability. None of CIT's operating subsidiaries, including CIT Bank, a Utah state bank, will be included in the filings. As a result, all operating entities are expected to continue normal operations during the pendency of the cases. All common and preferred stock in CIT will be cancelled upon emergence from bankruptcy. http://news.aol.com/article/cit-group/747761 FINANCIAL FACTS: Total Assets $75,657m Total Stockholders Equity $7,423m Tangible Book Value Per Common Share $9.57 Outstanding Common Shares 388.9m
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earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Nov 03 01:09:18 on a positive and mildly ironic note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIT_Group#History "CIT's Specialty Finance business consists of home lending, student loans, vendor financing, small business loans, small/mid ticket product leasing and global insurance services." ... (ie: the ridiculous methods of which are a big part of what *caused* the recession) ... "CIT Group was a part of the S&P 500 Index, was replaced by Red Hat at the close of trading July 24, 2009." ... (Empowered Citizens. The Future.) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Nov 03 01:19:39 @HR: i'll be the one to break it to you, since we are both very socially conservative and it may be nicer coming from be... ...quoting AOL is not considered nearly as bad form as quoting Fox... ...but it still isn't considered by many to be "Good Form". i know its hard to keep up with us crazy kids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walled_garden_%28technology%29 "A walled garden, with regard to media content, refers to a closed set or exclusive set of information services provided for users (a method of creating a monopoly or securing an information system). " ... "Examples" ... "America Online. AOL started its business with revenue-sharing agreements with certain information providers in their subscriber-only space, but later offered general Internet access." the "later" part is considered trivial, as past sins are very grindingly forgiven. it is fucking difficult to be a player on the Internet and not run afoul of the Unwritten Laws of Proper Conduct, there is no doubt. any number of alternate sources you could have quoted, though. search your favorite news searcher for "CIT Group November".
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Nov 03 01:21:08 *grudgingly, not grindingly. Freudian slip?
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 04:14:38 Here is Business Week, three times as long, has the same information with little more we didn't know or need to know. They filed for bankruptcy over the weekend. As long as the facts are right, what difference who prints them? Embattled CIT Group Files For Bankruptcy Posted by: Stacy Perman on November 02 After several months of twists and turns in an effort to avoid bankruptcy, on Sunday CIT Group put an end to its ongoing saga and indeed filed for a prepackaged bankruptcy plan. Under the plan, the 101-year-old lender will end the year out of court protection and under the control of its debt holders. The company released a statement that said, in part: â??Under the plan, CIT expects to reduce total debt by approximately $10 billion, significantly reduce its liquidity needs over the next three years, enhance its capital ratios and accelerate its return to profitability.â?? CITâ??s latest move comes after the firm attempted to find any avenue but bankruptcy that would keep it afloat. In July, the company was denied a second federal bailout after it had already received $2.3 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Funds (TARP). The governmentâ??s lifeline was given in the form of preferred stock â?? and as a result of CITâ??s bankruptcy proceedings, the government is expected to take a bath on that $2.3 billion. To date, CIT has been the biggest player in factoring â?? a form of debt financing used by those businesses that are unable to secure traditional loans or credit lines. This allows companies to sell their receivables at a discount in return for cash. A number of suppliers and manufacturers such as apparel makers deploy factoring as way to hold them over until retailers pay. One of the biggest questions now is how CITâ??s own considerable problems will impact the retail sector â?? particularly with the crucial holiday season just around the corner. Last July, when the company announced that it had failed in its bid to secure a second government rescue retailers were girding themselves for the possible fallout. However, the worst-case scenario appears to have passed. Craig Shearman, the vice president for government affairs at the National Retail Federation, a trade group, says that the timing of CITâ??s bankruptcy has actually boded well for retailers. â??We think we dodged a bullet for the holiday season,â?? he says. â??If there had been a collapse in September it could have created a hole in the retail supply chain big enough for Santa Claus to drive his sleigh through. At this point, most merchandise is either in distribution centers or already on store shelves.â?? So for now, CIT will be added to the growing list of taxpayer agonies. And as one of the largest corporate bankruptcies, it has demonstrated that it was certainly not too big too fail. Back in September when the company was battling to stay alive and defending its decision to keep Peek on, I spoke with banking consultant Bert Ely, who had taken a look at CITâ??s numbers and concluded: â??Barring a miracle, CIT will end up in bankruptcy no matter who is CEO.â?? Now that the company has indeed filed, I spoke once more with Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober.
CrownRoyal Member	Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness?
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :)
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it...
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof.
Sarcasm Member	Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian?
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :)
Jon Benet Ramsay Member	Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed.
charper Member	Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants.
Multi New Member	Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod.
Multi New Member	Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you.
Multi New Member	Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me.
Multi New Member	Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt New Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:43 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:48 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:49 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:50 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:50 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:51 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:52 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:53 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:54 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:54 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:55 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:56 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:56 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:58 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:58 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:04:59 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:00 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:00 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:03 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:03 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:03 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:03 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:05 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:05 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:06 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:06 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:05:40 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:15 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:34 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:35 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:36 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:36 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:36 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:38 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:38 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:06:40 Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Ely. â??I think it was almost the only step that they had available to them,â?? he told me. â??It just wasnâ??t fundamental problems, but they had too much debt and their credit ratings were too low. Therefore they couldnâ??t earn a wide enough net interest margin to cover their operating expenses. Going forward the only way they could survive in the long term was to basically improve their credit ratings and the only way to do that is to convert debt to equity â?? and that is essentially what will happen with this prepackaged bankruptcy.â?? In this scenario, the bondholders (along with the federal government) will take the biggest hit. CIT said that none of its operating subsidiaries (such as CIT Bank and Utah state bank) will be included in the filings, enabling its operating entities to more or less continue to run smoothly. In the short term at least, CIT will emerge with a stronger balance sheet. The more difficult challenge for the company however will be if as Ely says, â??it will still be considered a viable business going forward.â?? CIT which lends to some 1 million small and medium sized businesses has seen a number of its customers abandon them, concerned about securing their own financing. http://www...s/2009/11/embattled_cit_g.html Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:43:22 BTW, I am a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:44:36 And a Huge Douche Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:45:18 Yeah, but I stay sober. CrownRoyal Member Tue Nov 03 04:54:00 Perhaps thats the reason for such high levels of douchiness? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:55:38 Nah, it just accounts for me having more viable brain cells than you. :) Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:56:09 Lol, you aint a social liberal, much as you brag about it... Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:02 I bet I am more so than you are sonny. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:57:55 Social liberalism, a reformulation of 19th century liberalism, rests on the view that unrestrained capitalism is a hindrance to true freedom. Instead of the negative freedom of classical liberalism, social liberals offered positive freedom that would allow individuals to prosper with public assistance in health, education and welfare.[1] This later included government intervention in the economy to provide full employment and protection of human rights. These policies were widely adopted and implemented in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist[3][4] or centre-left wiki Go study up old man. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 04:58:14 I dont care what you bet, youre talking complete nonsense. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:02:22 What you ARE is a far right wing authoritarian. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:03:53 * And your undying support for Bush for 8 years while he wasted away incredible amounts of money proves you certainly are not a fiscal conservative either. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:05:14 That is talking about the European Liberal. I am talking about an American Liberal. "Social liberalism may also refer, as it usually does in North American media, simply to support for educational reform, civil rights, human rights, and civil liberties. In this sense, one could be socially liberal and economically conservative (often referred to as economic liberalism), as is the case with those called variously classical liberals, neoliberals, libertarians, and conservative liberals/liberal conservatives." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberal#United_States Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:08:25 Im not going to waste time discussing something as absurd as you, a far right authoritarian, possibly the most authoritarian poster on the board are...lol...a social liberal. Its one of the most preposterous claims Ive seen you make, and youve made some preposterous claims. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:04 I am not authoritarian. I believe in laws to protect the rights of the individual and that they should be strictly enforced. I never supported Bush's unbridled spending. Where I supported Bush primarily is when the left accused him of lying to get us into the Iraq war, but they were never able to supply any proof. Sarcasm Member Tue Nov 03 05:10:40 "I am not authoritarian..." Lol, yeah byebye now. Youre not needed here. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:12:15 Perhaps if you were better educated and knew there was a difference between European and American liberals you would not get so frustrated. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:13:12 How am I authoritarian? Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:21:45 Please don't trip over your tail as you run away. :) Jon Benet Ramsay Member Tue Nov 03 05:27:30 I can think of something in Hot Rod's pants that is too small to succeed. charper Member Tue Nov 03 05:31:00 I can think of something in Hot Rods head that is too small to succeed. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:42:14 And that seems to be the only thing you think of, that being what is in my pants. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:55:20 Your views on domestic and foreign security, military, civil punishment etc etc badly match those of a social liberal hot rod. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:03 ...and I doubt you'll find many social liberals as anti-health care and welfare as you. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 05:57:17 No, they don't, but I have no desire to discuss it with you. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 05:58:22 Im sorry but youre wrong. I also forgive your rudeness. Hot Rod Member Tue Nov 03 06:00:11 There is no need to forgive my rudeness. It was intentional. Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :) Now go away sonny, you bother me. Multi New Member Tue Nov 03 06:02:07 Thats sad, I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Sad for you, that is. I forgive you anyway. Sometimes those who need it the most think they need it the least :)
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 06:09:56 AWWWWWWW Did I hurt your little feelings?
Multi New Member	Tue Nov 03 06:26:37 Let it never be said that HR prefers a debate to trolling lol
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 06:28:44 Multi - I dont think Ive ever spoken a rude word to you. Perhaps under this tag, but many times under your many other tags. :)
uynumionubiuyvt Member	Tue Nov 03 06:38:04 DONT WORRY ABOUT HR'S RUDENESS, AFTER ALL HE WAS BROUGHT UP BY A NAZI CUM SLUT QUEEN WHO ONCE TOOK 9 GESTAPO COCKS UP THE ASS AT ONCE
earthpig GTFO HOer	Tue Nov 03 10:57:48 hr: "As long as the facts are right, what difference who prints them? " me: "quoting AOL is not considered nearly as bad form as quoting Fox" it's bad form, that's all :D and re: Hot Rod is/is not a "Liberal" debate... our two party system leaves a LOT to be desired, and people need to stop equating Liberal to Democrat and Conservative to Republican.
Hot Rod Member	Tue Nov 03 14:19:33 Yes, because there is little difference between democrat and republican. I have always thought of them as tweedle dee and tweedle dum. This was brought home in New York the other day when the party picked republican dropped out of the race and then endorsed the democrat instead of the conservative.
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