Utopia Talk / Politics / OT-Ultracorps MEGA

licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 13:13:44 Other thread is full, but we can have MEGA dedicated thread :) Nekran, you are closish to Asgard, and at least on the rim, which offers some protection, though less diplomacy. Guir is fine, just watch the economy really closely. People who screw up their economy in megas become food really fast as their FP drops relatively.
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:24:02 Could you post people's coordinates so I can have a look around?
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:32:04 Ooh I found Asgard at 968,1198... that's considered closish to 250, 2084 then? Distances sure have to be looked at differently in this mega-thing :)
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 13:32:43 I cant log in from work anymore, its been filtered out.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 13:36:08 WEll there are only 2 or 3 empires between the two of you. So yeah, that's closeish. Only still well and ep are next to each other. Location: 1449, -626 is me, I'm way up north of you
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:43:41 Yeah looking at it afterwards I did see that indeed you could look at it as rather close. Should try to connect up :) Just 25 ticks from you then (at 120 speed)... nice.
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 09 13:44:45 lol
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 13:46:34 I am quite isolated from everyone. Asgard 3039 Dakyron 1538 Earthpig 1338 Jergul 1779 Licker 2756 Nekran 3297 Still_Well 1497 jergul - I landed right next to Kurita again :) We are going to try and work together.
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:49:17 OK is there some good way of looking that up or something? :p
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 13:50:27 yes, go to player finder and add everyone to your watch list then go to your watch list!
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:51:56 Well I'll be damned :)
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 13:57:54 So how agressive should I be to start out the game? Like killing off my neighbors at turn 5 agressive?
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 13:59:35 I was pondering the same thing as well... considering I'm speedy I should probably try to go for a quick kill, right?
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 14:00:09 Send everything at Rommels HW first tick.
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 14:00:43 lol... Id probably be permabanned from UC.
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 14:02:00 Wuh?
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 14:02:00 I'd recommend NAPing one of your flanks and expanding the opposite way. This is a long mega, so the less people you have to worry about, the better. I'm going to hit up my nobodies before I start trying to kill people off. It's hard for me to comment based on experience as the last mega was a 30 turn points based mega and this one is a 45 turn world based mega.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 14:08:30 Read the thread jergul started in the Ynsanity forum. You have to find some people to NaP with, and you have to pick targets. You don't have to pick the targets before the game starts, but it's good work the Naps in advance as you can. Watch out for the forum regulars if they are around you, they are the mostly likely to decide to kill you because they think you have some association with jergul (or to a lesser extent me). But yeah, it's just for fun, so don't get too worked up about it, but if you can get someone to break their word to you it would make an awesome thread there :) Anyway, NaP to safety in 2+ directions, and funnel your expansion in the other. Early attacks are somewhat frowned upon, and if you don't have solid NaPs you will probably get jumped by your other neighbors no matter how successful you may be. Also remember that if you do want to post on the forums there do not treat it like UP unless you just want to troll and never be taken seriously again ;)
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 14:09:09 Vroomba offered me a NAP which I took asap. I'll probably be expanding into the noob thats next to me fairly early. But if opportunity allows I'll move right.
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 14:12:03 The less seriously I'm taken the better. Then when I place ahead of veteran X in the mega, it'll just hurt that much more as I rub salt in his wound. Rommel and Berzerker are the only two vets I think are cool. The rest just want their circle jerk. I could have missed a couple cool ones though. Agramer is alright, but he is willingly ignorant about quite a few things.
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 14:13:30 Come on Daky, we will make you a legend. Unless Rommel builds a sensor early then he'll never see it coming. You could hit Fox in 5 turns, probably will be barely defended.
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 14:18:02 What was the name of that guy we pissed on in the Dystopia game? Is he playing in the mega? If he is anywhere near me I have a feeling there wont be a NAP between us. =)
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 14:19:12 Travail, hes in the game. Hidden Fortress is his HW, I think he was near one of us.
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 14:19:54 *Hidden Secret*
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 14:27:17 i'm next to him and already NaPed. But he's not a bad guy from what I can tell.
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 09 14:28:04 He swore to hold a grudge.
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 14:33:19 Yeah, he threw a fit. Id be careful with him.
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 14:41:13 From: Travail To: Josef_K Turn: 26 Sent: Mar 8 Message: Don't get me wrong, I won't trust you in any game, Mega or PUB, but I don't intend to ever play with you again in a PUB. Do you want to know why people don't make too many NAP's or alliances? Because you end up conflicted with one or the other. Here's how I see it- you made alliance with another player, and broke alliance with me- had you wanted to help without breaking the NAP, you might have gifted FP to him to help him rather than breaking trust with someone else you MADE AN AGREEMENT with. No honor at all, not even to say "Hey, you're beating on my friend, and I have an alliance, and need to offer an ultimatum- stop hitting him, or I'll break the NAP with you." Basically, you were unsportsmanlike, and that behavior is just the behavior of a real butt-hole, in a game or in real life.
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 14:46:57 lol Still cracks me up.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 14:47:50 Yeah, I know how prickly they can be. Still he's given me a better chance than some others, so I will go with it. I don't expect him to break his word to me, and I don't expect to break my word to him. There's alot more room in a mega, though diplomacy in a mega vs. in a pub should be slightly different I think, but I wasn't in that game so I won't comment.
nhill Member	Thu Apr 09 14:48:47 The Dakonia press release was the best part of that whole ordeal imo.
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 09 14:48:55 Seems like this game is taken rather seriously :)
Dakyron Member	Thu Apr 09 14:53:49 It was too silly for me not to comment. =)
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 15:15:39 Well if you've read the threads started by jergul and featuring licker you'd know :) Yeah, the community is really small and has been around for a long time so there isn't much change or ease in adaptation to new ideas. I like alot of those guys for their dedication to trying to make the game technically excellent, though I clearly disagree with what it takes to make a larger more vibrant community. None the less, I am willing to play by their rules until enough people are sick of them (and don't think that there are not these people) that they change.
Still Well Member	Thu Apr 09 16:34:26 The Travail situation was hilarious. He had 90% of his offensive force in my cluster, completely raping me after the reaming Asgard had already performed. He had NAPs with Asgard and nhill that I know of, EP wasn't much of a threat and Daky less so. Then nhill and Asgard change sides and hit him. Never even hit him hard really. But he threw a fit and quit immediately.
EarthPig GTFO HOer	Thu Apr 09 17:43:52 im right next to SW in the mega
jergul Member	Thu Apr 09 19:12:16 Travail is ok, but is a nudger. He will press other Nap'd players into your path of expansion. Advise demarking very clearly the lines of advance as soon as possible and refer to that communication later. Say hi to kurita from me nhill.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 09 19:51:54 Travail is 1.5 clusters away from me. I secured that nap to hopefully relieve any potential pressure from the south, and those south of him. I know where his naps are more or less, and they should not be an issue for me, other than one, who is next to me, but seems willing to accept my border proposal if not a full nap. I feel moderately comfortable with what I've heard so far from my neighbors, and the two who don't answer, well, we know what happens to those who don't engage in diplomacy. I'm really working in the 2nd ring anyway, trying to see which way those are likely to expand or nap. If it works optimally I can occupy 3 clusters in a rough triangle and then see where my diplomacy leaves me. I don't know, my name is mud to some of these people (even though I've never played with them in a game so I should be a blank slate, if not for jergul and his trouble making), but we'll see just how open they are to working with me. I've already decided to play this game with 100% compliance to naps or other agreements. I will give no ammunition to anyone to use against me in the future.
jergul Member	Thu Apr 09 20:57:17 The discussions would be no fun without being very adherent to NAPs. I'm pretty much Nap'd in :-)
Dakyron Member	Fri Apr 10 00:10:36 Only one player around me has offered me any sort of NAP. I just started dialogue with another.
nhill Member	Fri Apr 10 03:19:05 Will do jergul, I've had 4 NAP offers, 2 of which I've accepted and I presented another one of my own. I'm boxing myself in with a small route for expansion, but Kurita and I plan on expanding together through the same small route so if I think I have a decent chance of breaking through.
Nekran Member	Fri Apr 10 03:21:56 I just offered an NAP to one neighbour (who sent me this sort of chatty message) and am thinking of what to send to the others now. I'm not sure what to send in this non-committal probing of a bunch of people who I really shouldn't have any direct contact with any time soon...
nhill Member	Fri Apr 10 03:24:07 I find a simple message of "What are your plans for this mega?" to be quite revealing. If they don't respond, assume they are heading your way ;)
nhill Member	Fri Apr 10 03:26:31 Also, the more cordial your letter format is, the better. Butter them up a bit and they will talk more. I learned this one from observing jergul's messages.
Nekran Member	Fri Apr 10 03:36:30 I seem to be close to this Grog guy from the forums... in any case he has that same avatar-thing. I guess I should drop him a message as well. And yeah I went for being cordial with my neighbours and sort of based it on the message I'd gotten myself (which was pretty much what you described). Thing is though that I was already planning to offer the guy who sent me the message an NAP, but the other 2 direct neighbours I'd kinda like to eat up lol (though I guess I could share one with the other if necessary...)
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 10 11:21:08 Yeah, put in a good word for me to Grog, he's kinda waffleing on agreeing to anything with me, though I've been chatting him up in a humorous way. I've sent out umail to everyone in 2 rings around me. Those who don't reply get targeted, those who are rude, get a follow up, those who are engaging get nap offers. Alot of work, but until you know people better you have to break the ice gently I think.
jergul Member	Fri Apr 10 13:07:42 Licker You really think they hate my guts that much? I had not noticed. I have had no problem securing NAPs though, a loose cannon reputation has its advantages (I don't think anyone really wants to fight someone who thinks in terms of mucking up ratings - not if it can be avoided).
jergul Member	Fri Apr 10 13:08:15 Or overwhelmed with extreme prejudice :-)
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 10 13:14:37 I don't know if hate is right, but I've been lumped in with you somehow, which is a negative according to a couple people who I contacted in game, and they basically said I was going to die because I was agreeing with jergul. funny to me how pathetic some in the community are about these new ideas.
Seb Member	Fri Apr 10 13:38:00 Nobody want's to talk to me :(
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 11 15:00:08 Idling in their chat and checking up on it once in a while ain't a bad source of information... you two get mentioned from time to time jergul and licker ;-p
Asgard Member	Sat Apr 11 15:22:35 there's also the possibility they're aware of UP
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 11 15:31:26 Meh I've got nothing to do with it all :)
licker Sports Mod	Sat Apr 11 16:42:44 It's all good I'm sure... :)
nhill Member	Sun Apr 12 01:07:43 apparently the server crashed or some shit. whatever happened, the tick is delayed til tomorrow and your moves got deleted. so make sure to resend out your troops
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 12 04:55:45 Damn that sucks... And yeah all good. Few folks wanting to kill off the "utopia dregs" on sight and such and so... you guys should have an entertaining round ;-p
jergul Member	Sun Apr 12 09:15:56 They are pretty self-serving. They are now advising that noobs should play as if they have a shot at top 10 placement instead of more realistic goals like the top 25% - where they would need to capture and hold 10 planets.
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 12 09:23:04 I dunno I always try to go as far as I can myself... we'll see where we end up :)
jergul Member	Sun Apr 12 09:59:17 You are not a noob anymore Nekran. I find their argumentation pretty self-serving. The easiest way to be a giant is by surrounding yourself with midgets.
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 12 22:35:03 1st tick in, haven't really looked around anywhere other than my area, but roflmao@zpo... He could be shark bait if anyone around him is willing to take the plunge.
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 12 23:08:54 Oh, and EP... What the fuck do you think you're doing? Building a queen 1st tick? noob
nhill Member	Sun Apr 12 23:19:56 lol
Nekran Member	Mon Apr 13 02:18:47 Woah hadn't counted on the huraxes on the neutral I attacked... I guess I should consider myself lucky to have only lost one bike and no haulers...
nhill Member	Mon Apr 13 02:19:33 Dakryon has some horrible luck there.
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 06:12:08 My tick went flawlessly
jergul Member	Mon Apr 13 06:37:12 Nice move to leader in race Asgard. I ran the traditional opening (defined from the needlegame). Steg said its the preferred opening after reviewing the variants. It was my opening of course that won the review of course :-) So one planet first turn, two planets second turn. Foddered attacks on turn 3. I should have my hurax escorted by scan-omatics from turn 4.
nhill Member	Mon Apr 13 06:37:56 " It was my opening of course that won the review of course" of course of course
Cock New Member	Mon Apr 13 06:46:00 Of course, sire. Now that we have gone through the review, one should make some tea, after this arduous work. Don't you agree, gentlemen?
jergul Member	Mon Apr 13 06:47:31 I did indeed have a cup of tea at the time :-)
Cock Member	Mon Apr 13 06:59:01 I brought some cookies that we can dip in the tea. But that requires much sleep afterwards, for it is too demanding, ha ha, ha ha.
nhill Member	Mon Apr 13 07:13:52 of course! of course! of course!
Still Well Member	Mon Apr 13 07:37:39 flawless first round, though I probably should have stuck with only 2 new planets instead of 3.
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 09:41:53 It's not cookies you cock, its biscuits.... The most flawless opening was on the part of Zpo ;) Oh and, I was informed that 98% of the disdain for the 'Utopia crowd' is due to jergul. :) Keep up the good work, they just don't know how much they will love you when it's over.
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 13:52:43 Do they know who are the UP players? Or is it just you and Jergul they're aware of
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 13:57:11 They have a list, but I don't know who exactly is on it. I'm pretty sure EP and you would be, along with daky and maybe nekran, just due to the number of 'Utopia' games we've all played in.
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 14:00:51 makes sense
Nekran Member	Mon Apr 13 14:09:42 Though I know they read this and posting it might just include me... it doesn't really matter, now does it? A chat-snippet on the topic: Lor says, "the utopia gang" Oktober says, "I bet" Oktober says, "Now that Utopia has sent some of their dregs here" Oktober says, "Licker and Jurgel; Ralpher, if I recall..Kilvan, probably...." Oktober says, "Who else?" Lor says, "kilvan's gone I think" Sentrion says, "No, Ralpher is clean" Sentrion says, "So is Kilvan, although he is always a target" Sentrion says, "Asgard, Earthpig" Sentrion says, "Josef_K" Sentrion says, "Josef, Jergul and Licker are kill-on-sight" Lor says, "licker's not so bad actually" Lor says, "he's on my team in the learning game" Sentrion says, "Lor is also kill-on-sight" Lor says, "but he does have a big ego" Lor grins Luthius says, "do the price of XMC usually drop after first tick, or go up?" Sentrion [to Luthius]: Always up Luthius says, "Josef, Jergul and Licker are kill-on-sight" +1" Oktober says, "Awright, taking a break" Oktober has disconnected. Luthius says, "alright then, i'll hold that last fighter and lock in XMC :) may go full lock, not just 2" Lor says, "when is the mega ticking?"
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 14:22:03 Had a chat with Travail on the chat room, seems he forgives us, Nhill.
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 14:28:33 lol... oktober is one to talk, after being out of the game for almost as long as I was...
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 14:29:38 Travail is a good guy, giving me advice and having some good discussions with him so far. There are only a couple I think really have it in for anyone, and even then, it mostly jergul ;)
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Apr 13 14:31:56 I have escaped detection as one of the dregs of Utopia.
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 14:39:36 UP is the 2nd google result of Jergul + Utopia- they must be aware of UP.
Milton Bradley Member	Mon Apr 13 14:51:32 Hence while I will only post under this name, so they will never know who I really am...
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 15:07:10 Oh hell, I think it's all pathetically overblown, and there are games within the game. Trick is knowing whom is playing whom :) Short answer though is that all of us have a black mark next to us as far as some people are concerned. Those people don't seem to be all that popular all the time either though, so whatever. I think the key is to play by the prevailing conventions until such a time as those conventions may change (if ever). That way if someone else screws with you you are 'clean'. At least that's how I look at it, and it's about the only protection I would expect. There are enough people who don't take the forums into the games, but unfortunately there are some who do.
jergul Member	Mon Apr 13 17:02:25 Been offered a NAP by all my neighbours. Which is nice I guess. I think I will accept them all and have a real fun round. It will be like a duffel coat with only my 140 and 300 move fists punching out.
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 17:04:43 mmm... Yes, head for Zpo surrounded by a nice protective shell :)
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 13 17:08:12 Jergul, maybe one of your NAPers will die off and you'll have to fight against the invader
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 13 17:10:27 Better strategy is to plan for one of your Nappers to die allowing you to occupy some of their systems as they decide not to allow the attacker to take everything. It should also be easy enough to do a planet swap so that you can have a forward operating base, even if only for logistical support as you jump off into the next cluster over.
nhill Member	Mon Apr 13 21:20:21 "Had a chat with Travail on the chat room, seems he forgives us, Nhill." Cool, I can forget about the whole ordeal.
jergul Member	Tue Apr 14 02:07:57 Seb and licker "The proposed design compares favourably with benchmark systems when taking into account energy use and CO2 emissions from the transport chains and the natural gas liquification process during LNG production." Sound good as a snippet for the English summary?
jergul Member	Tue Apr 14 02:08:29 And the rest of you too of course :-)
Seb Member	Tue Apr 14 07:54:45 "The proposed design compares favourably with benchmark systems when taking into account energy use and CO2 emissions from the transport chains [; ?] and the natural gas liquification process during LNG production." Would a semi-colon clarify the meaning here?
Seb Member	Tue Apr 14 07:55:11 Actually, reading it again, probably not.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 14 09:03:04 The proposed design compares favourably with benchmark systems with energy use and CO2 emissions from the transport chains and the natural gas liquification process during LNG production as the metrics. I dunno, yours looks fine, mine is just an alternative, depending on how strongly you want to stress what the comparators are. The tricky part to me is "CO2 emissions from the transport chains and the natural gas liquification process during LNG production" Is a bit wordy, but I don't know how of if you can chop it down.
nhill Member	Tue Apr 14 09:04:04 why did you guys start speaking another language all of a sudden :(
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 14 11:39:22 Quoi?
jergul Member	Tue Apr 14 13:58:00 Edited that last post. My thoughts about how gracious Entrion was for taking a step back and examining himself with a critical eye...
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 14 22:22:13 lol... On my watchlist all the UPers (other than stillwell) are at the bottom of the list for FP... You fucking noobs... ;)
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 00:33:20 well you've got it made for now :p just queue up 500 nozama fighters and maybe a queen here and there. some of us actually have to make decisions!
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 00:33:52 also, EP missed a couple ticks for some reason
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 00:43:32 Apparently though, the decisions are not good... ;P
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 00:48:11 wasn't much I could do to get more FP than I've got... heck i'm #4 for my race. ectonians are a bit slow at the beginning :)
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 00:48:55 lol licker you are #12 for your race on FP
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 01:33:51 I Naped myself in . Why would I need fire power? Now if you were measuring by meaningful metrics like the number of scano-matics, then you would see I am in fact the game leader.
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 01:36:19 ouch looks like your luck ran out on Zelyon, jerg. if this romeo thing knows anything, anyways
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 01:48:28 lol ya, If I had known that, I would have taken the planet on turn 1. I delayed (and attacked lesser stuff) just to have the fodder for that assault and ahem avoid losses like that :-) Plans men mice.
nhill Member	Wed Apr 15 01:51:17 hehe i'd say the 41 EI is worth the loss =)
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 15 03:18:55 My FP is low atm, but I do have the most populated planet in the universe which will be churning out good FP soon enough... started with extra psi-haulers. Doing pretty well atm me thinks... taking planets at a distance first, where my non-NAP'd border is and starting to produce properly :)
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 15 06:26:20 I'm going to take one more planet sometime over the next 3 turns and then probably moving north to PickNMix. I might convince PyroPeter to the west to launch an assault.
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 15 06:43:32 I think I should be able to grow rather continuously over the next few ticks... mentally written my name on 13 planets and I think I should be able to get them. Don't know how soon I'll be fighting though...
Milton Bradley Member	Wed Apr 15 10:30:26 Im attacking one of my neighbors who blew off my NAP and then took a planet within 83 distance from my HW. Bastard then stupidly moved all his forces to the other side of his empire to attack Nobodies. What a dumbass. You dont purposefully piss someone off and then turn your back on them whistling dixie.
Asgard Member	Wed Apr 15 10:32:05 That's not being a bastard, it's being an idiot. He probably doesn't speak english and didn't understand what you asked him, and he doesn' know how to play, or why the fuck is he even alive, in real life.
Asgard Member	Wed Apr 15 10:33:01 the sort of person who would drive slow on the fast lane.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 10:36:39 While people behind him are going insane. He often parks in handicapped places while handicapped people make handicapped faces. He uses public toilets and pisses on the seats, he walks about in the summertime saying "how about this heat?" He's an asshole, the worlds biggest asshole. :-)
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 11:00:53 "He probably doesn't speak english and didn't understand what you asked him, and he doesn' know how to play, or why the fuck is he even alive, in real life. " Oh, so you mean he's a palestinian? ;) Or an idiot CNM who is building CBs? ;) But yeah, my FP is mediocre for a noz? Still Well and EP are still behind me ;)
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 11:11:08 Jesus licker. I have a zen on a scanomatic incoming, so need to centralize crap to get the Queen production up and running fast.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 11:12:20 Oh yah, send a zen on a scanomatic to me. I will give you a planet (that you of course capture with the zen) in exchange for every other queen. Details we can work out.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 11:20:42 Yep, it's in the works jergul, don't worry, I'll let you know when I'm ready to send the monkie.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 11:21:45 be sure that planet will have 500 pop and 750+ (depending on economy) ult when the monkie arrives.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 15 11:45:15 Its nice to be a mod when in a paranoid frame of mind. Easiest "job" I have ever had. I have no idea what Murder was talking about. Yepp, licence + initial build will be there. Deal usually is that I feed with ult to give one a turn, and get the above 500 pop transferred. Probably makes sense to do a trade deal on the generated thingies. Faster stuff for the slow pokes. I am going to build up festung "Jergul" anyway, so am going to pile a runway, a queen, some offensive heavy firepower on every damned planet I hold :-) The trade location will surprise you. 4 turns would be an appropriate arrival time.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 11:49:05 Well I need a couple ticks to get my scanOs and monkies together, but just let me know where, and I'll let you know when, when it's in the air. Payment is negotiable, as always. You can even gift me some fleets for me to do some conquering for you, and then you just come in behind me and take a few systems for your own. Fun times will be had by all!
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 12:44:34 Damn... now everyone wants in on my queens, are there no other noz near anyone who want to trade? Though in my defense, I am using the trade bait as a condition for me establishing the borders and securing the NaPs, so it's not all one sided.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 15 23:59:18 How you like my FP now bitches!!!! ;)
nhill Member	Thu Apr 16 00:11:11 Quite a jump! up to #2 now :p
nhill Member	Thu Apr 16 00:12:11 nozama fuck like rabbits
jergul Member	Thu Apr 16 01:00:24 Me likes. Easier to find you for umails :-)
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 16 10:11:47 Just add me to your watchlist... ;)
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 12:28:23 Damn it, you all are still lagging FP badly... I hope you have some good agreements or else you are going to all be targeted quickly. I dropped a bit in the rankings due to taking 3 worlds, but it will tick up again, my curve is looking good I think. Noz, remember to lock fighter prices long term where you want them tick7 as they will hit the economy tick8. I expect the price to go up, even if not exceptionally.
Still Well Member	Fri Apr 17 12:31:24 looks like your the one lagging :p
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Apr 17 12:40:01 One of my neighbors is getting ready for an assault. Between him and the douchebag below me, Im not sure how long Im going to last.
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 13:10:31 Shouldn't have pissed away all your FP then ;)
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Apr 17 13:11:29 Not my fault my CR Org II got blown away in the first battle. Just bad luck.
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 13:20:31 I kind of is, because you didn't send enough FP for the overkill you want. Also only your last battle did you really go for overkill, FP preservation, lets you keep on expanding instead of having to stop and rebuild.
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Apr 17 13:33:04 So I was supposed to take 1 planet, then 1 planet, then 1 planet the first 3 turns? Id be way behind then.
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 13:45:00 lol... Basically yes. You take one or two a turn until you have another fleet worth taking anything bigger. As it is you're behind anyway. The pressure to expand isn't that great until you get to the point where people are ready to start taking all their border worlds (around now really). Assuming no one went for an early HW grab. Anyway, you were unlucky in that 1st battle, but the fault was yours for not having enough FP to help your transport survive. You could have taken the closer world 1st with a smaller fleet while you upgraded your org and added whatever else you wanted to. Then you have a 60+FP fleet to just to mash things, while you put together the rest of your builds to support it or make a 2nd fleet to hit 20+fp worlds. Hopefully you have some luck with diplomacy or else, yeah, you are in trouble, but Rommel wasn't looking your way at least.
Asgard Member	Fri Apr 17 14:00:10 Got NAPs all around me, I asked for one of my neighbours a planet he is slightly closer to, to have it for myself so I can have access to other clusters. Ouch on my last battle :-/
Milton Bradley Member	Fri Apr 17 14:54:17 "As it is you're behind anyway." Yeah, because the gamble failed. If it worked Id have been ahead of the curve.
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 15:08:23 Not worth the risk honestly. Wait one tick, and then you just expand much more easily instead of chancing it on a sub optimal attack. Look at Rommel and River (some other high ranked Sxull players). they aren't leading anything, but they are set up to expand or attack easily.
pukes Member	Fri Apr 17 15:11:50 There's an 'or' missing in the above... because I know river and rommel are not playing sxull
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 15:12:15 who the fuck?
Nekran Member	Fri Apr 17 18:07:02 I dunno but a little bit of research revealed that River and Rommel are Nozamas... so he does have a point.
Still Well Member	Fri Apr 17 19:04:46 a multi or infiltrator?
licker Sports Mod	Fri Apr 17 22:24:00 Well I'm about to blow up again... A quiet tick, followed by several small fleets combining into hoards on nobodies, followed by options depending on what my erstwhile partners decide to do. Also, nhill and nekran, I have an offer for you guys, long term concept, but very low cost potentially, check your ultramail!
nhill Member	Sat Apr 18 00:24:10 sounds good, responded
jergul Member	Sat Apr 18 02:14:33 To MAC Well played. I spuriously delayed my move on Chatistra by a turn. Time to decide if you want a game long good faith NAP or not. I am furiously loyal to my NAP partners as you know. I would view a refusal now as a declaration of war and my counter moves are quite obvious. You may wish to enquire with Marturin as to exactly how much of my neighbours time and resources I am able to consume when the inclination strikes me. I will be laying claim to Alterage in any event and would insist that our NAP be based on exchanging Alterage for Cakistra including a full exchange of populations and ult on a one for one basis (meaning you leave the population of Cakistra untouched of course). Rommel underlines the importance of having fun and I do have a thesis to test. So am rather indifferent to your decision in that sense. But felt the NAP offer need be repeated to avoid concerns on my taking inter-gaming and forum issues into every Mega I play. The decision rests with you. Do you want to risk tossing a new Mega in terms of rankings (or actually every future Mega as all players recruited from Utopia would have to assume your distaste is endemic and placement near you should be treated with a defacto declaration of war from the start of game [the kill on sight list is actually rather well known]. As chances are you will always land near one of them, then the potential impact on your permanent ratings should be clear). But like I said, the decision is up to you. Good luck, have fun Jergul
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 18 03:58:50 I don't feel like I would have to assume anything :p
jergul Member	Sat Apr 18 05:09:31 Is your name on the kill list? They may have forgotten you. I should provide them with a comprehensive list of UP poster :P I can tell you about MAC though - if you don't have an agreement, then you are food. That you can safely assume.
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 18 05:15:25 I wasn't on the list, but they do know I'm from UP, so no blackmailing opportunities there :p I just thought the continuous threat was kind of silly and I don't like people speaking for me :p
nhill Member	Sat Apr 18 05:31:57 "I can tell you about MAC though - if you don't have an agreement, then you are food. That you can safely assume." Same goes for if you have an agreement. Although his eyes are often too big for him stomache =)
nhill Member	Sat Apr 18 05:47:06 The results in this mega for myself are going to be a big gamble. I'm quite lacking on the diplomacy side right now. I turned down a lot of my neighbours NAPs because the ones that offered were first time players. From my experience as a first timer the vets tend to cherry pick you, so it seemed kinda useless to NAP easy pickings. I know, it is a bit hypocritical, but my logic is that if I don't take him over, someone else will, and that someone could come my way next. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. But if these first timers got a lot of their NAPs accepted and aren't cherry picked by the vets as I was... Then deductive reasoning tells me a few will be headed my way. Either my gamble will pay off big or be my complete destruction. it is more fun this way, for me anyways =P
Still Well Member	Sat Apr 18 07:32:40 I went the opposite. Taking out the experienced players means all the more glory.
nhill Member	Sat Apr 18 08:28:31 Don't get me wrong. The first player I'm heading for the the player with the most experience.
nhill Member	Sat Apr 18 08:28:41 is the*
licker Sports Mod	Sat Apr 18 22:33:39 lol... 3rd in FP and I still get no respect from a neighbor who 'wants to keep his options open'. Seriously, is one of his options getting invaded by me? Well it might be, it just might have to be that... Though i did get a limited nap finally from another player, so hopefully that will mature and settle that border finally.
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 19 03:12:34 FP isn't everything... I'll probably soon be getting it on with someone with significantly more FP than me myself. Do hope the close the gap some in the next turns though...
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 19 09:01:54 No, it isn't everything, but it is the best indicator of future growth potential, barring those turtles. Clearly though, I'm no turtle ;) My FP won't jump so much this tick, it was more a factor of not hitting any worlds last tick, but that just means the world count will start jumping as that FP starts landing :)
Still Well Member	Sun Apr 19 09:52:10 I noticed much of your FP was in flight.
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 19 09:54:02 ;) By the way I talked to one of your neighbors SE, PP I think, he was asking on tips to fend of noz, though he wasn't talking about you, is EP a threat or is there another noz around there somewhere? Have you worked out the Nozama Fighter lend lease program with EP yet?
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 19 09:54:13 SE=SW...
Still Well Member	Sun Apr 19 10:00:58 Not yet. I'm not sure of my next moves at this point. If it was PP I'm not worried, I'm getting some Thirus Saucers from him soon. He's been trying to talk me into attacking Vroomba or EP. EP isn't a threat to anyone really. If he is worried about me attacking him then his worries should be lifted since I offered him a NAP.
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 19 17:50:25 Sure, he said he had a nap with you, so I assume that's done, though odd if he didn't tell you first. I still think you need to get EP to agree to a nzf lending program to let you two really pump up some big ass fleets.
jergul Member	Mon Apr 20 11:38:43 We do have overflow into this forum from ultracorps! Which is great, more politics the better. Sentrion suggested to me in a mail that politics players could agree on anything at all for more than 15 seconds. I was outraged, but he seems to think the people licker recruited make up some sort of pseudo-alliance based on social ties. He asked me to clean up my act as those ties go against the spirit of the Ultra corps :-)
nhill Member	Mon Apr 20 12:10:43 Can you tell Sentrion to fuck himself for me?
Asgard Member	Mon Apr 20 12:20:50 even if he is right (and he isn't) - we are only about 6-7 players dispersed in a huge mega galaxy, how does this "alliance" help anything?
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 20 12:33:22 "...he seems to think the people licker recruited make up some sort of pseudo-alliance based on social ties." The irony is rich to me. though generally, I get the feeling sentrion actually does not over accommodate over 'vets', so from his pov, he does have a bit of a point. I think our ties go more along the lines of discussing things generally or giveing often unwelcome and apparently unlistened to advice. I do recommend everyone spend some time in the chat when you can, I've had some good discussions with Sentrion as well as Rommel (and others). Sure they tell me I am wrong about alot of things, but that's fine too, not so very different from here actually ;) just they are less likely to use profanity :) We do have an advantage over other pure noobs in that we do have a bit of a social network set up, but I don't see how that is any different from the social networks set up by those who have played UC for years. Ours is less useful in many ways, as jergul keeps on making people hate us ;)
jergul Member	Mon Apr 20 17:47:22 Hatred is but a step away from love licker. I am sure to grown on them :-)
nhill Member	Mon Apr 20 19:09:24 Yeah you are growing on them... Like a festering cancerous sore, that is :)
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 20 22:43:56 heh, I maintain my high FP ranking... Though I'm told I'm sure to start losing it soon. We'll see, we'll just see about that, now that I'm finally ready to build some real ships instead of these throw away noz fighters :) In other news, my monks are on their loooong trips, though jergul screwed me already ;) He has another queen partner though, the bastard :p
Still Well Member	Tue Apr 21 06:43:06 I probably shouldn't have bothered with the crorg2's and instead gone with more megabots, but next turn I'll have both. I've got a couple of TAPS and 10 Boron v3s on their way to bolster defence at Vorax and to provide my org2's some transport. Unless EP has some brilliant strategy things look poorly for him.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 21 10:10:04 Indeed, you shelled out alot in licenses it looks like. I've only bought 2 licenses all game. TKsidecar and EDM200. Oh, and a queen license, but it's not really mine exactly. Are you attacking EP?
Still Well Member	Tue Apr 21 10:23:32 lol no, his neighbors are. PP sounds like he's planning on supper at winland in a few turns and SlipperyJim looks interested in scraps. SHODON to the south might wipe out all three. I bought the EDM, Org2, and Megabot. MegaBot upgrades will be next and probably the tk helmet.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 21 12:59:39 Org2 is a terrible buy, but since you already bought it I guess you are locked into the upgrades. TAPS are a pretty poor buy too, compared to haulers, but if you got the license somewhere it's more reasonable. If EP is going down you should poach some systems from him and have him gift you some nzf.
Still Well Member	Tue Apr 21 13:09:21 I'm getting the TAPS and boron V3's delivered in exchange for a queen.
Still Well Member	Tue Apr 21 13:12:42 And yeah, I know the Org2 was a mistake. I'm going to let the production run all the same. I might upgrade a couple later to v4 for defense.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 21 13:28:59 Oh ok, queen for taps and buggies is acceptable.
Asgard Member	Tue Apr 21 14:38:53 "I might upgrade a couple later to v4 for defense. " Ask Nekran how two little V4's caused his entire empire to crumble a couple of games ago :)
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 22 04:54:20 I do recall those bitches not wanting to die :\ Can't remember the whole situation though... just htose two last v4's refusing to die in some huge battle.
Asgard Member	Wed Apr 22 05:52:00 two huge battles, actually. Point is, they're very durable, and great at offensives
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 22 06:26:37 On topic of the mega again though, the noz I was planning to attack next tick has just sent his fleets my way. Think I should be able to pummel his main fleet at Thermopylae, but I'm losing captor to an estimated 40-50Fpish fleet. Just hope Thermopylae goes real well so I can counter-attack the turn after...
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 22 10:00:49 Yeah, remember noz are solid but slow. You need to use your faster fleets to flank him and take/retake systems after his swarm leaves. Hope he splits it up for you, and realize that if you can bring a decisive battle to his swarm you will likely neuter his offensive even if you lose the first attack, just so long as you knock his hoard under 100. See if you can't find out if he's sending fighter trains somewhere to muster up to a bigger hoard, and if you can take that system, you can just sit there (with enough FP obviously) and defeat his trains before they merge into the hoard. Also be ready for my monkie to arrive at Xeres, though still 8 ticks out :)
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 22 10:15:42 Well if things go well I might not need it anymore... I'll be sure to gift one back though if that happens ;-)
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 22 11:17:47 You can't capture the queen license, so unless you're talking about another deal with another noz... which is fine, don't even let me land in that case and consider the scano a gift :) Though you do realize the benefits of actually working with me I assume... ;)
nhill Member	Wed Apr 22 11:19:14 Are you talking about the gay sex? Or did you just offer that to me...
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 22 11:26:52 Ah you can't capture that? Did not realize that... then nothing's changed ;-)
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 22 11:39:38 Teh geah secks is a given for any deal with me. Your buttplug is arriving in 7 ticks nhill.
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 22 21:21:14 And so Dakonia has fallen, moment of silence please. lol@Nekrans slaughter of 3 Queens at Thermopylae, my own Nozama populace weeps for the reckless throwing away of lives.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 22 22:27:38 Shit, I built 4 queens this tick :p Somehow my FP curve is staying up... It's going to have to slow down eventually though I think, well I dunno, I guess I nearly have all my worlds seeded with queens so that's 150+ fighters a turn just from that. Got to get some cap ship action going though, time to lock in some haulers as well. Time to do lots of things, but best thing is going to be my 500 fighter swarm that will simply materialize out of thin fucking air :)
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 23 03:44:35 Heh yeah he didn't handle that all too well, though it still amounted to an annoying loss of FP that I wasn't that rich in to begin with for me. Still... he's utterly screwed now and there will be spoils to make up for the loss. It pretty much went entirely as expected :)
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 23 08:36:18 I NAP'd myself shut!
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 23 10:19:47 lol... That's a danger. Find someone who's willing to swap planets with you so you can open a front somewhere else. CNM can jump since they are fast, just don't buy some useless slow cap ship, go with bots I'd say.
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 23 10:24:17 I secured one such planet already, but I hope it won't be too far. There's also the chance of one of my NAPers dying soon as he's got two wars on him now, when he was winning thus far against one (Ducks).
Milton BRadley Member	Thu Apr 23 10:46:27 Im starting to think that I must just be terrible at this game.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 23 11:48:36 It's because you don't listen to me. Seriously. You make the same kinds of mistakes over and over. Not paying attention to what is an appropriate build based on the economy, and not oversending as much as possible (especially early). These two errors actually compound each other so you tend to wind up with less FP than your neighbors, and the wrong kinds of FP to keep them uninterested in you.
Waste Member	Thu Apr 23 12:17:23 I Agree (only to get the last post :P)
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 23 14:03:28 There is no last post.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 23 22:54:30 I'm starting to get caught... Better do something important I guess.
Nekran Member	Fri Apr 24 02:59:40 My Noz enemy is all but defeated, now to just negotiate a splitting of the spoils and discuss a future course of action :)
licker Sports Mod	Sat Apr 25 00:02:13 Ehh? nhill, what's the scoop on this DH drama? I told you my FP would slip, but maybe it'll go back up again now that I'm ready to pump out some cap ships :) It's good to be in chat people, make friends not enemies...
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 25 04:43:19 Gah my turn went horrid... And yeah man this is one negative for this game imo... people take it far too seriously. I mean I dunno what happened exactly, but if you're gonna cry and quit the game because you got screwed over by another player, then that's pretty sad.
licker Sports Mod	Sat Apr 25 10:07:39 You want to share some details nekran? It didn't look like your turn was that huge of a disaster just from the battles I looked at.
Nekran Member	Sat Apr 25 11:01:01 Well not a disaster as such... it's just that skunk hadn't logged in all of turn 12 and Habyn hadn't been built on the tick before... turns out he logged in in the last half hour or so before the tick (when last I checked) and did start building stuff. Lost too many haulers, too many bikes and threw away 3 huraxes. But ok... maybe horrid was a bit of an overstatement.
Still Well Member	Sat Apr 25 21:57:16 EP you suck. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
licker Sports Mod	Sat Apr 25 22:51:51 meh... my target ran away, so I get a stripped HW. bugger. Oh well, things will get crazy soon I think, which is going to be super fun time!
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 26 04:47:28 Two bad ticks behind me... and somehow with few log-in time yesterday I didn't see a fleet coming that must've been on radar... No more than minor setbacks I suppose... but it sure is bloody annoying.
nhill Member	Sun Apr 26 05:56:01 ectonians are really slow starters. hopefully i'll catch up later on when ult becomes more scarce... but for now i'm lagging behind. 3rd most ectonian FP but 98th most out of everyone =/
jergul Member	Sun Apr 26 09:25:14 Reached the conclusion that if this game is going to make it commerically, it is not only going to have to accept clans, it will need to embrace them. As a counter balance to pre-existing clans within the game - some of them pretty close to decades old. The old boys clubs :-) Newcomers are generally screwed until they can get adopted. No wonder the community is fading.
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 26 10:06:10 It's bad enough you keep on whining about that in their forums jergul :p Seriously... don't you think the future of this game is becoming an unhealthy obsession for you? :p
jergul Member	Sun Apr 26 12:43:47 woot - does not even make it to my short list of unhealthy obsessions :-) Its a rhethorical trick anyway. Though true. Do you think the old timers like being called clans?
Nekran Member	Sun Apr 26 12:57:51 I so don't wanna know about that list then :p
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 26 16:11:58 jergul- You're just copying my thesis now... I think I upset Shodan in the forums though, amazing that these people really cannot read past their own bias. I mean not all advice is appropriate for all players, do they not understand that? I even spelled it out repeatedly for them, but still 'your proposed strat is bad' generic statements. It's like debating RoB or something ;) Also jergul check your umail I've got a proposal for you.
Still Well Member	Sun Apr 26 16:54:55 looks like Shodan is going to kill EP. I doubt I could have forces in place in time before winland falls. I'm going to have another look though.
nhill Member	Sun Apr 26 16:56:11 other than EP, the utopia players seem to be doing quite well this mega. poor ZPO
licker Sports Mod	Sun Apr 26 17:26:45 daky... but yeah
jergul Member	Sun Apr 26 17:50:48 Licker That is my conclusion. The thesis was a different one. That we reach the same conclusions by different routes is not copying surely? ====== I am dogmeat. So add me to the EP list.
jergul Member	Sun Apr 26 17:51:18 Oh - and check the ingame message licker.
nhill Member	Mon Apr 27 01:18:06 oh yeah, i took daky off the watch list after he was eliminated so other than jerg, ep and daky ;)
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 27 09:15:08 Well in jerguls defense, he had a huge target on his back, and a very unfortunate starting position. Then again, his game is not over yet, though he's going to be on a bit of a voyage to his new homeland. Fortunately CNM don't really care about their home world too much. Zpo launched what I assume is a big attack at me. Lots of feints and lots of targets. It will be interesting to see how I fare against it, because if I blunt it he's going to be in a world of pain very very quickly :)
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 27 09:16:08 Oh yeah- nhill I still land in 2 nekran I land in 3 If you forgot which worlds PM me :)
Still Well Member	Mon Apr 27 09:32:24 Well I'm building a coalition of the willing for war against Shodan. So far it looks like 4 including myself, 5 if you want to include the speedbump Ahabig. All other neighbors are NAPed, but I haven't heard back from Emperor Lor.
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 27 09:50:45 My guess would be that lor has a nap witih shodan, but I don't know. I'll talk to him about it if you want, I've got a nap with lor and a friendly raport from him being my coach in the training game. He admits he does not agree with most of my positions on the meta game, but he seems to respect me as a player. He's a good guy, just remember UC isn't UP, so you cannot talk to UCers the same way. Forums are one thing, mails and other convos need to be handled completely separately from how you might otherwise present your case in the forums.
nhill Member	Mon Apr 27 09:57:39 Indeed, I'm a completely different person in uMails. Although I do suspect I will be a scan-o-matic target due to expressing my opinion on the forums. (will have your sanctuary in my space cleared on arrival licker)
Still Well Member	Mon Apr 27 10:27:28 I'm hoping its a temporary NAP, I was fairly certain Lor would have a NAP to.
licker Sports Mod	Mon Apr 27 12:55:32 coordination is key You have to be willing to gift fleets back and forth with your allies if necessary, he can probably fight you all off if you each act independently. Also try to get as much diplo around your 2nd ring even to preempt him bringing someone unexpected into your rear. You seem to be pursueing the diplo route pretty well though, so I hope it will work out for you. Remember, track his fleets, track his production, and you can probably out fox him if he doesn't believe you are doing it.
Still Well Member	Mon Apr 27 13:03:03 I'm just waiting on a response from Vroomba as far as my flank is concerned. I've got enough forces to kill the guy that is attacking Satchmo, if Satchmo falls which I doubt he will.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 28 00:08:15 Well Zpo did what i expected him to do, but now I'm in a better position to deal with him so we'll see how it turns out over the next few ticks. Also nhill, this turn! nekran next turn! Asgard, wake up you douche bag.
Nekran Member	Tue Apr 28 01:38:28 Good that you reminded me or you would've lost it lol... it'll be ready for ya :) Bloody Skunk has given away most of his FP and now because of my bad choice of tick to not pay attention in most likely also most of his pop and ult on his HW to Guyvii, the next guy to get in a fight with. Annoying...
Nekran Member	Tue Apr 28 17:06:06 How low do you people expect the X-fighters to drop?
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 28 17:15:50 I expect them to drop somewhat lower, people are burning cpx on cap ships and other stuff now. Then again if you have extra ult and really need the fighters now I'd certainly buy up a ticks worth of them as needed.
jergul Member	Tue Apr 28 17:25:57 Nice discussion now. I think we have identified the reason UC is dying.
Nekran Member	Tue Apr 28 17:43:34 Annoying... kind of needing an important reply from my partner, but also not planning to stay up much longer anymore. Sent him the message I need a reply to pretty early in the tick too... :\
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 28 17:49:54 Yeah, only a few more and then it's on 48h schedule.
Asgard Member	Tue Apr 28 17:51:29 Ducks is being eatened up and my new big neighbour in his stead, is not replying to my NAP offer.
licker Sports Mod	Tue Apr 28 17:56:16 I'm telling him to nap you though :)
Asgard Member	Tue Apr 28 17:57:49 oh, thanks! Coz I've sent half my fleet to go raid missions outsize my immediate zone...
nhill Member	Tue Apr 28 21:05:57 shit I could have sworn I sent those corvettes off before I went to bed. wtf... well thanks anyways licker, i just screwed myself :(
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 29 04:46:08 Xeres will be clear... I even remembered to cancel the production ;-)
nhill Member	Wed Apr 29 05:17:14 i could have sworn i deployed that fleet, it was made and everything... how shitty. licker i'm sending back the scan-o. i don't want it, it reminds me of my failure
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 29 06:33:06 I just fucked myself to. Next turn my fleet should be triumphantly taking over an HW, instead I sent 60% of the FP to a neighboring planet. If nothing changes I stand to lose 200 noz, 2 botv2 and 1 botv3. As well as delay my taking over of the HW by 2 turns My only option is a diplomatic bluff.
nhill Member	Wed Apr 29 06:39:32 heh that's what killed me last mega, i send 600 FP to the wrong planet and watched it get shredded to dust
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 29 06:59:47 I just sent an offer for him to surrender his HW. :)
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 29 07:00:38 Wouldn't that be sort of obvious? I'd think just letting him think bailing is the best thing to do would be more inconspicuous :)
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 29 07:04:18 That's what I did. I told him that he'd be destroyed next turn and made an offer for him to abandon his HW temporarily in exchange for a NAP. The email was quite long, it will be interesting to see a reply.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 08:48:13 Meh... no big deal nhill, it happens. Nekran and Asgard though... Don't FUCK IT UP! :)
Asgard Member	Wed Apr 29 08:55:18 well that depends on whether or not I'll get a NAP from that big scary expansionist :)
jergul Member	Wed Apr 29 11:56:46 Licker (and others) Am I going overboard you reckon?
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 12:23:58 You? Overboard???? I think you've hammered the point, maybe just let it sit for a bit. I would throw you an 'attaboy' but then it would look like I was just one of your multis... Asgard, since he lost the queen world I set up for him he may be willing to let me set up another one for him, with the string that he nap you. Otherwise I'm going to lose a world down there again... It's a pity EP didn't seem too engaged in this mega, he and still well had a nice opportunity to work together, but meh, they can't really call us a clan either I suppose... ;) Also, Seb? What are you up to? And do you want a scanner monk to pay you a visit?
Seb Member	Wed Apr 29 12:29:59 You mean regarding the feeder worlds? Yeah, I have perhaps gone overboard with the HSF's. I figure no one wants to pick on someone with an enormously fast, invisible fleet. I keep meaning to start building scanner monks myself, and have them randomly patrol my empire. On the other hand, i seem to have NAP'd myself in, and Farstar is moaning about needing help on Dashaile. And every time I go into battle, i loose a sodding hauler in the first turn. Seriously, with 50HSF's, 100 odd fodder units and a bunch of random other stuff, 10 MB2's etc, and with only a 1 in 5 chance of a hit killing the fucking hauler... why oh why.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 12:32:43 Actually I meant one of my scanner monks, to make queens for you, but yeah, throw down ~10 sogs everywhere and it lets your mind rest a bit more easilly. As to napping yourself in, well cut a deal with a neighbor to let you jump over him and hit someone else, hell hsf are plenty fast to do it. Even swap a border system to them for access to one of their systems in a better logistical place for you to use as a launch pad, though frankly, you're better off just hitting the enemy first, but having a quick feeder to support your new conquests is helpful.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 12:34:33 Though looking at it, why the hell would you not pack up a crap load of hsf and jump onto Hell's Kitchen? haliwell isn't doing crap over there.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 29 13:02:07 Seb Napping yourself in is what you should do as a CNM.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 29 13:13:37 Licker I am starting to think that SJ is seriously underestimating the market potential here. Maybe we should let it fail and buy it up? Java 2 Micro, Flash Lite and Objectice C. Cellular approach and lessons learned from WII breaking the mainstream barrier. Catch the crowd who stared in awe at space invaders :-)
Nekran Member	Wed Apr 29 13:14:46 Yes let it fail and buy it up... great idea.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 13:15:40 heh, well it could use some bells and whistles to make some aspects of playing it easier. Some way to track FP in game for example, and a much better notes system, or auto notes system... Those kinds of addons should be what the people who pay to play get, so if you are cheap you can do it all yourself, otherwise you get some extra tools to help you out.
jergul Member	Wed Apr 29 13:18:38 Licker Yepp, keep a basic browser for free and have a downloadable module with bells and whistles. In particular cellphone access as a bell and whistle.
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 29 19:04:52 I got a reply. Slippery wants to go out in a blaze of glory. Crap.
Asgard Member	Wed Apr 29 19:07:05 Pwned. Well, it seems that Backwater, the guy who swallowed my nice neighbour Ducks, is not too nice to people around him, therefore there is a possibility of a formation of a coalition of the willing against him.
Still Well Member	Wed Apr 29 19:10:33 I cant wait until next turn as 180 brave noz fighters backed by only a couple of v2 bots crash against his massed defences at his HW and he realizes it was all a bluff. He will be very happy at his decision then. Epic pwnage would have occurred if he had agreed and then realized I was full of shit.
licker Sports Mod	Wed Apr 29 23:50:59 well if you do coalition on backwater leave my little planet alone you bullies! :p
jergul Member	Thu Apr 30 07:47:35 The loyalty of wolverines :-D At least Nekran is consistent. He started hating my UC style long before the rest of the community ever did :-)
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 30 08:56:21 meh... I dont think they really get it either, the point is not to introduce clans right now, indeed that would be an epic failure since there is no support for clans right now. And I'm not talking about in the community, I'm talking about in the game. The funny thing is that when you say 'team game' no one has a problem, even though it's a defacto clan, even if a very mutable one. To say nothing of the defacto 'vet' clans which pop up every mega anyway. Oh! But it's never with the same people!!! Zoinks... 100 points for continuing to completely miss the point. anyway jergul, I would suggest bailing on the ynsanity thread and joining DMs clan and offering suggestions there. Even if its a joke, the banter will eventually form a bond amongst anyone else who joins it and meh, who knows, the whole idea as far as I'm concerned is for a different social infrastructure, not so much one with any real in game ramifications, at least under the current types of games available...
jergul Member	Thu Apr 30 09:28:22 lol yah - they are children in terms of rhetorical sophistication at least (and nekran, where in the hell was the circular argument?). My little pony indeed. My the pure wit. Not sure I am making much way with Sentrion either, I cannot count the times I have had exchanges of that type with clan diplomats. "one of our members informs me that you are an irritating git. I must asking to desist in the gittiness and conform to how our clan views proper decorum and actions, else we will be forced to enact measures and you will have to face the consequences of being you" The pseudo-neutrality is numbing. And I treated such things with the respect they deserve. He is indestinguishable from clan leadership in that sense. If it quacks like a duck...
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 30 10:38:04 Backwater answered my NAP request from 3 ticks ago, saying that if I agree for a game-long NAP, he agreed. refused.
Asgard Member	Thu Apr 30 10:53:30 (Umails, from latest to last) Backwater, Indeed you didn't see a time line, but as an example, when I missed answering a to a NAP request I myself initiated some time ago, by just 1.5 ticks, I got a stern letter of warning, and emphasized promptly that by failing to answer it would be considered hostile. And justifiably so. When you defeated Ducks, and failed to answer my request, and when I saw you still pushing at ducks to a final defeat, I *knew* (for all that concerned me) that your silence means hostility. At that moment, by chance, someone approached me offering a NAP, which developed into an alliance against what I perceived to be your hostility, and that alliance soon found two other empires which marked you as a target. So I can't change my plans now, even if I would wish to. You singlehandedly strengthened a coalition against you, through a diplomatic failure, I'm afraid. Does this answer satisfy? Asgard. > Just a curious question. I never saw a timeline for a response to your > NAP request. I would assume that 1 or two tics for a response would have > been O.K., but three it would seem is unacceptable. The fact is this... I > was trying to see a way that I could make the NAP with you and not box > myself in with allies. Since I didn't see an imminent threat from you > and you surely didn't see one from me, I thought I had a little time. > I had to figure a way to either bounce past you somehow without > interferring in your direction, or bounce past one of my neighbors > without impeding their progress. > > As early as last tic, Licker umail'd me asking me to accept your NAP > proposal. I assumed you had contacted him about this. When I got his > mail, I responded to yours. > > And your statement about 'eating up my neighbor', I thought was > the whole reason that you initially wrote that you and I were about to be > neighbors. Me defeating 'Ducks' was understood, so I don't > know why that would even be a factor and would certainly not constitute > an act of aggression toward you. > > A new enemy has emerged and has allowed me to avoid moving through any of > my neighbors' territories (including yours), so I thought that would > be the answer to my directional dilemmas. > > Just so you know, there will be well over 600 FP near our border next > tic. This battle group was not intended for you, but rather my new foe. > I have no problem sending it to your empire though if you force my hand. > > Sorry again if my momentary silence was construed by you as a hostile > act, but the majority of my time on UC has been playing an interstellar > game of chess with Ducks. > > If you wish to reconsider, let me know by tonight's tic and I'll > send my forces where I had originally planned. If I don't hear from > you, I will assume that your last answer was your final one. > > Backwater out. > > Eating up a neighbour and ignoring a NAP offer for about 3 ticks > > constitutes hostility as far as I'm concerned. Your NAP offer is > > dismissed. > > > Asgard, > > > > > > Sorry about the delay....If you're still offering a NAP, it > > > would > > > have to be a game long one. If you agree, I agree. > > > > > > > > > Backwater out. > > > > > > > Hi there! > > > > > > > > Since we're probably going to be new neighbours - > would you > > like > > > a > > > > NAP?
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 30 11:07:15 bleh... Well my attempt at being a peace broker failed, maybe Obama should make me special envoy to Palestine... Anyway, you all do what you need to do, I'll just stick to the agreements I've made independently with each party.
Nekran Member	Thu Apr 30 13:53:39 The argument wasn't circular... the thread was. Which imo is very UP-esque. Also I don't hate your UC-playing-style (though I've been annoyed at seeing you win every PUB-game I played and now destroying you in the last one was rather a phyrric victory since you left first :p), but I can understand some of these people's annoyance. They've been playing the game for years and years and you never appreciate a relative noob to pretend to know it all when you've been around for ages. Your tone does a lot to aid that know-it-all-image. Especially to people who don't have years and years of reading you (I don't think I've ever known anyone else who can radiate such extreme self-confidence through text... as an aspiring writer I do admire it though). I also don't think you give a lot of arguments for the clan-thing... you just keep stating that it is necessary for player retainment but seem to completely ignore all the things that are mentioned that are done (or planning to be done) for newbs. You then persistently argue for a sollution you then claim to despise yourself... Apart from that, as I said in their forum, I find UC a very noob-friendly browser-based game... I think it is actually #2 in that regard afaik, #1 having to be hattrick. I do thank you for appreciating my consistency though... I pride myself on it :)
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 30 14:32:38 UC is noob friendly, the community is not always. Depends on the noob though, but that's the entire point. Do you want a completely insular game with a couple hundred players? Or do you want to try to expand the options in game to make it more interesting to a wider variety of players? One makes sense to the old guard, the other is actually a profitable business plan. Again, I don't know what the ultimate goal for UC is, I just like throwing my 2c around.
jergul Member	Thu Apr 30 14:57:33 Just as I like throwing my 1 SENT around (surprised they did not pick up on that abbreviation). Licker summarized the point nicely. The game is dying and will die as soon as JS tires of draining cash flow on it. Clans are a solution. I hope there are better ones. But duplicating clan functions does not suffice. I think you will find any other solution simply duplicates parts of what clans do very well. Thanks for the radiating commentary on my net persona's élan.
jergul Member	Thu Apr 30 15:40:17 Seb The whole Queen thing going this mega has going is what I was trying to role play you into trying btw :-)
Seb Member	Thu Apr 30 17:00:48 Yeah, you need to consider the way you handle diplomacy. The refusal to consider the other sides perspective didn't help you much in Escape.
licker Sports Mod	Thu Apr 30 23:27:01 Well the war with Zpo has been concluded with an armistice, allowing me to not waste my time fighting him and dealing with other issues immediately instead of waiting for someone else to deal with them for me.
jergul Member	Fri May 01 02:49:38 Seb Frankly, I was bored. I could not be bothered winning either of the last two games. To meet my victory conditions I had to crush you to get access to Asgard. I decided I did not want to do that, just as I decided I did not want to crush licker again in the escape game. Both licker and I talked about the nice window of opportunity we were looking through at the time. You will have to take my word on how easy it is to pummel Noz with the right set up.
Nekran Member	Fri May 01 02:58:59 You could at least be graceful in defeat... Seb owned you in the defense at Sulipan (iirc) and only then you quit a few turns later, with things looking rather hopeless as I had grabbed the opportunity to stab you in the back as well (for good reasons though imo).
jergul Member	Fri May 01 03:24:52 Nekran Nah, I quit long before that. The decision not to win was made rather early. The rest was boredom.
Nekran Member	Fri May 01 03:31:01 I choose not to buy it :p
jergul Member	Fri May 01 03:56:51 Feel free. Its not important. (uhm, yah I can see the supreme self-confidence now that you have mentioned it:)
Seb Member	Fri May 01 07:13:12 jergul: You could have arranged a planet swap easily, and thus avoided the possibility of accidentally facilitating someone elses victory conditions. You had no need to crush me, and I think you over-estimate you chances of so doing anyway, particularly as I knew nekran was out to get you.
Asgard Member	Fri May 01 07:16:59 I had the weirdest VC, and it allowed me to attack anyone, too. I just had to be victorious to do so.
Seb Member	Fri May 01 07:57:58 What were they then?
Asgard Member	Fri May 01 09:27:14 To kill 5000 monks. Even my monks - a fact I was not aware of. So, hoping that people would use massive amounts of monks as fodder, I built up strength, only to find out I can use them as fodder myself. By that time, Licker reduced it to 3500 monks to make up for lost time, but that didn't help :)
nhill Member	Fri May 01 09:59:47 Well I killed about 1400 monks for ya ;)
licker Sports Mod	Fri May 01 10:00:25 Wait... is that game over or something? heh... Nah, asgard had to kill 5000 zenrin, including pop on zenrin controled planets. Give VCs based on something each race does well naturally, with some exceptions for MahTog and Guir, though their VCs are easily achievable due to their inherent flexibility. The winner is still very up in doubt I think, there are a couple potential big surprises possible by everyone other than Asgard, now that he spilled his beans. Also since he lost his mega battle against nhill I think he kinda got discouraged. Well I hope it's been entertaining anyway, we'll have to do another sometime I think.
jergul Member	Fri May 01 12:26:10 hehe, I forget that only you people know I can continue discussions without other poster input indefinitely. That fact is going to be a very new and disconcerting experience for some over in UC.
licker Sports Mod	Fri May 01 22:58:32 Happy fun time coming up soon! Who has the biggest noz swarm so far? Mine is 850 which i don't think is biggest, but I ahve another 300+ getting ready to link up :)
nhill Member	Fri May 01 23:01:30 I've got 80 or so ;)
licker Sports Mod	Fri May 01 23:40:43 Ahh, the fun with Romeo... I think I have next tick completely in the bag, worst case scenario puts me in a fight I should win or draw ~75%, and the draw is as good as the win as far as I'm concerned... Hmmm.... gonna teach some fools how to get pwnedzored! :)
Real Fred Member	Fri May 01 23:41:17 No homo.
licker Sports Mod	Fri May 01 23:42:47 you're addicted to that shit now, admit it, or I'll fondle your balls while giving you a hickey. no homo.
Real Fred Member	Fri May 01 23:44:29 I'll felch your asshole after you get fucked by a rabid buffalo. No homo.
jergul Member	Sat May 02 05:05:12 Am pleased with myself. Am actually putting together a viable business plan for UC. Who thought it could be done?
jergul Member	Sat May 02 05:10:18 Been also thinking about the differences in mentality. Wondering if it has to do with my background and dealing with pretty harsh natural environments since I was a child. You don't accept the forces of nature, nor do you try to defeat them. You work with them when you can and work around them when you cannot. The UC community being ignorant urbanized southerners in this sense and not a force of nature into themselves.
Nekran Member	Sat May 02 05:11:10 My God you're full of yourself :p
jergul Member	Sat May 02 05:42:50 Tis the natural order of things once we established the rest of you are fragments (not figments - which implies a form of perfection) of my imagination nekran. In that sense, the weight of your flaws rests on my shoulders alone. Logic dictates that I accept the burden of your imperfect creation. :-)
jergul Member	Sat May 02 06:04:48 "Lest we forget" (if you can excuse the royal we) has a very specific meaning. Posters no longer here are not elsewhere. They are posters I have forgotten and thus no longer exist (though I might revoke them).
licker Sports Mod	Sat May 02 09:25:02 Surely you mean revive them.
jergul Member	Sat May 02 09:35:57 Nope revoke as in recall. Its Magick to all intents and purposes (I had to check if I was using fantasy roleplaying terminology correctly before using the word. Revoke is indeed latin for recall).
jergul Member	Sat May 02 09:49:28 Licker I do believe I have hashed out something that resembles a business plan. It bypasses community reform (a vital point) while providing semi-tangible business opportunities with very real revenue generating potential. Its starting to look like something I could invest in and gives the browser game value as a universe for revenue generating modules independent of its actual player base. Your thoughts?
jergul Member	Sat May 02 09:59:53 x goes to k in Latin right, so literally re+voice. Which makes sense as a description of the process.
nhill Member	Sat May 02 10:29:16 One things for sure, this beta is dying and I'm not seeing many options for going commercial from anyone (cept jergul's clan thing). I don't think that clans will bring the game up to commercial level, but they will be a shove in the right direction. But I digress, I've been evaluating some of the costs to run these servers on a basic level. The RAW reports from each tick end up being quite substantial put together. I've had a couple raw logs over 4mb and considering that there are around 500 battles to do. I don't have the will to put in all the effort, but suffice to say that it isn't cheap to maintain the game. That combined with none of the devs putting much input on bringing this game to a commercial level leads me to believe that it is in its final stint. Perhaps they will just send it to the attic. Perhaps they will go the easy route and make it pay to play. That would put the final impenetrable barrier around the insular community. It won't go far from there but they should be able to maintain costs and serve those ~150 players what they wanted in the first place— a community in a bubble. The third route is commercialization. licker/jerg are sort of the lone rangers on this front. The clan solution is the most and least viable solution put on the table. Nothing else has been presented. I'm on the fence on the clan issue, seeing as I have a intrinsic distaste for clan hierarchies. But the clans will work. The question is how well? The userbase will go up, that much is for sure. But will it go up enough to break through into commercilization? That remains to be seen. My personal preference would be for that game to go commercial without clans, but no one has offered a blueprint on that. I can't be bothered to try to think of one myself either, there seem to be plenty of people willing to do some brain work if they just get there heads off the TAPS buff and BRB nerf, etc etc. They are out there using their brains, but not applying them to the problem. The UC community doesn't think the beta denouement is even close, but all sign my novice brain can computer says this is about it. Maybe one more mega after this. I'm not good with them, I come off much to borricose to be taken seriously... But someone needs to point these guys to the signs ——→ENDBETAOVER This needs to be done so they can get off their Romeo calcs for a second, worry about how much of a buff TAPS gets later, and start contributing to the solution once endgame hits us. jergul/licker have done admirably 2-man spearheading this for now, of course they have ran the risk of appearing to be overly egotistical and for jergul at least that can't be saved. It was a known sacrifice I would think, 2 people taking on a insular community on their turf, but know the time comes soon when the whole community is going to have to work together on this. Now we just need to get the rest of the community to get behind the movement for post-beta gaming. If not, I would not be surprised if it hits the attic within half a year.
Asgard Member	Sat May 02 10:40:27 The community members can always donate in order to support the game... much like UP itself, it's TC's donating his cash and we're helping him out with clicking some ads... only with some more cash involved.
nhill Member	Sat May 02 10:59:41 Indeed, that is what I meant by the easy route in my above posts. pay to play or give donating members privledges. All this is semantics here though— it needs to be discussed seriously over there.
jergul Member	Sat May 02 11:05:09 nhill I offered an alternative blueprint to clans. SJ games is actively developing cell based gaming technology, so I did not grab it from the thin air. I outlined a business plan in the relevant (well actually the thread was not terribly relevant) thread. It bypasses the need for community reform if you buy into the argument that UC has value in itself as a universe for revenue generating cell-based modules to stem from.
licker Sports Mod	Sat May 02 16:42:24 Interesting thoughts nekran.
pillz Member	Sat May 02 16:48:59 If Ultracorps starts requiring people to pay, they will lose their entire player base. Why not just have everyone donate $5 via paypal or someting.
licker Sports Mod	Sat May 02 17:15:52 btw... where did that post come from nhill? did you only post it here?
nhill Member	Sat May 02 23:13:05 nah was just a passing thought before i went to bed. apologies for incoherency, i was dead tired. not gonna post it at UC, my "tone" has lead them all to believe i'm just a troll, so fuck them
jergul Member	Sun May 03 11:40:16 nhill Yah, it was interesting with both the server load analysis and your commentary. Not letting the bastards grind you down is actually a pretty interesting experiment. Goodness knows I have been running it for years (I don't think Licker or Asgard used to be my greatest fans to put it that way:). Fans, shmans, right Asgard? Admittedly, jergul is just a net persona, I don't come across like this in real life (or...my first promotion on a boat ended with me and the skipper in a drunken fist fight about two weeks later - which is quite unheard of. I was blacklisted for a while by several companies:). But it does give some interesting spillover in terms of real life stuff too. I am quite unphased by trivial adversity at least. Not that my life has been particularly difficult.
licker Sports Mod	Sun May 03 12:00:22 UP is what it is, we are here for reasons having nothing to do with expecting civil discourse. I still think jergul is an unrepentant soviet cock sucker for example. However, I have come to understand him better than I initially did, much as nhill has come to understand me I believe. I would imagine he was not any fan of mine initially either. Finding common interests or common ground will happen, and then you put aside the other issues on which you may disagree, or you may just stop debating them and just call each other names because the debate is dead anyway (like nekran and I arguing about atheism). I think jergul and I actually have alot in common, though we rarely discuss it, but much as I knew faithless was my long lost brother, it's entirely possible that jergul is my backwards cousin. then again outside of the OT threads we all have our little parts to play in the UP community generally, part of the reason I do what I do is because it amuses me, and the other part is because I miss the good old college days in the dorm with your buddies just ripping each other because you could.
Asgard Member	Sun May 03 12:08:32 "Fans, shmans, right Asgard? " I don't speak Yiddish.
nhill Member	Sun May 03 12:17:46 your post is spot on, i pretty much just thought you an egotistical bastard when i first read your posts, then eventually I realized those were just the posts, not the person. now, i often time put a specific mask on when posting on UP for the sake of putting on the mask, not because it is any extension on my personality. which is, if i'm understanding this right, exactly what I used to flame you for doing (i just didn't realize that at the time) i don't really post much here anymore, other than these UC threads and other off topic threads. the circular crap that cycles through the UP vents gets old after a while =)
Asgard Member	Sun May 03 12:18:35 It took me a year or so to develop a mask around here
nhill Member	Sun May 03 12:21:01 hah, i did use to post in UP back around 1999 so i suppose it took me almost 10. but i probably had a grand total of 50 or so posts in the 10 year period before i got my current job (which pays me to sit on the internet for 7 hours a night). i'm pretty much HOer all the way through though :p
Asgard Member	Sun May 03 12:21:44 gtfo hoer!
nhill Member	Sun May 03 12:22:40 fine! i'm supposed to be in bed anyways =P
jergul Member	Mon May 04 11:09:56 You will never believe this! Now they are actually trying to debate me on non-UC content. Talk about bring broken toothpicks to gun fights.
licker Sports Mod	Mon May 04 21:48:22 Heh... we've converted that thread into a UPesque thread :P
Nekran Member	Tue May 05 00:54:24 We are the borg?
nhill Member	Tue May 05 00:57:40 jergul, you let them effect you to much. I mean this in the kindest possible way, but you could have a light case of asperger syndrome. No offense...
jergul Member	Tue May 05 01:20:01 nhill woot - no offence taken. And that my net persona has a light case of aspergers is beyond question. We can only take solace in the fact that as net-persona mental illnesses go, aspergers is a light disease compared to the raving insanity generally prevalent in this forum at least. (If a comment on jergul's controller - nah, I am multitasking like crazy right now, the forum stuff is an outlet for steam. And I am generally way to interested in social constellations, though you could argue that I intellectualize those things since I don't inherently understand them emotionally. Make the case and we can debate it:)
jergul Member	Tue May 05 08:59:37 Will post this in the other forum after the click: Edit The final chapter (not of this thread of course, but it seems I will not be diverted by the tedious detail of empire) will amuse some of you and certainly put to rest the thought of some Utopia Clan. So Smith4 hands off his core planet and sets together a fleet for Mac, Sent is busy chidding away in the background and Encep does his multi cluster leap into my system. Scanners aworking, I think "screw this" and pack up my stuff. I talk to licker and a few others about prestorage and what have you. Licker has this great idea. You crash into the rear of Zpo, then we can divide his empire as his main fleets will be engaged with me. Uhm, I arrive like in 6 turns if we do that. You sure? Yepp, certain. 5 turns later. Ok licker, my crap is about to land and is on Zpo's scanners. Yah thanks for the help, We entered a NAP as soon as he saw your stuff comming. You better cut a deal with him. Uhm, ok. Object grovelling @ Zpo. Ok, you owe me licker. Give me that damned sanctuary so I can reboost. Ok, how about some of hairs crap. Nah, its too close to Zpo. How about something you have captured so I gain the protection from your NAPs once you make it clear I am just borrowing it. Don't be paranoid jergul, I have this note from Zpo see. You can just grab that planet. No worries. Uhm, why not just give me the HW once its captured? Nah, go for that one. Uhm, I think you are miscalculating this licker, but its more important for me to say I told you so than it is to actually survive, so sure. Message to Zpo, Zpo does nap lawyer dance. I applaud. Licker - I told you so. I was right, you were wrong :-) But the team based nature of the game is getting hammered in I think. So all is good.
jergul Member	Tue May 05 09:03:49 This is of course if we assume licker was actually wrong and not just being very devious. That is always a possibility with that licker. :-)
licker Sports Mod	Tue May 05 10:45:56 Well I was thinking how we could help each other, nothing devious about that. The change of plans wrt zpo was not preplanned (obviously), but I felt it offered us both the best chance. I got some comforting words from zpo and assumed he would let it lie, maybe he still will, I don't know. You say what he wrote, there was no ambiguity in it as far as I am concerned, if he does start gifting fleets then he has simply broken his word (though perhaps not the nap with me, but piddle on the difference). I don't have the energy to get into a pissing contest over who broke what based on some technicalities (especially since nothing has been broken yet), but clearly if he does send gift fleets he's tripping over the whole 'pure naps' position so often stated in the forums.
licker Sports Mod	Tue May 05 10:46:29 say = saw...
jergul Member	Tue May 05 10:51:12 licker Good call - I clarified in game. I don't think it is gift fleets though. Poor Sent though. Players can't keep their mouths shut even when they try ("there is no team here, just a bunch of neighbours looking out for their common best interests":). We really do have a finely honed sense of context and meta context. Not hard to piece together what is going on from what is said and not said. Sent does try not to lie. But his truth evasion attempts are truly primitive from our standards.
jergul Member	Tue May 05 13:01:04 An nhill, now that I have actually checked - HAHAHA. As you knew, the common denominator for aspergers is the inability to interpret the facial expressions of people you interact with. I think it clear jergul has a certain degree of trouble doing that.
nhill Member	Tue May 05 13:08:09 lol
jergul Member	Tue May 05 16:28:31 ...
nhill Member	Tue May 05 23:45:15 holy christ on a crutch, 66 new posts in the thread since I took a nap. yeah, defintely not reading any of it. jergul - summary? licker, you have a PM.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 02:35:52 Paradigms shift with the greatest reluctance.
nhill Member	Wed May 06 02:39:33 Let me know when they admit the game is nearly dead.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 04:43:14 That will be a couple weeks after the game has been terminated. A tell-tell sign will be Sentrion blaming me for the announced termination.
nhill Member	Wed May 06 05:11:55 Heh, the sad part is that is probably true.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 05:52:50 nhill Here is my latest suggestion btw. I am trying to bypass the whole clan thing as I also find them distasteful. =========== Here is what I concretely think should be done as soon as possible. 1. Change player distribution patterns. Have 3 distinct areas in every mega. - An inner core - An inner rim - An outer rim Experienced and decently ranked players start in the core New players and poorly ranked players start in the inner rim Late sign-ons of either type start in the outer rim Each area separated by a greater than average cluster distance. To avoid abuse, the following also need be introduced: Planets need to be separated into 4 distinct categories - Home worlds - Solar orbitals (true planets) - Planetary orbitals (moons and what not) - Artificial orbitals (satellite stations, mining outposts etc) Each category generally producing less resources than those above it. Additionally Mega points are determined by the quality of "planets" held. A home world being worth considerably more than an artificial orbital with the other 2 categories on a sliding scale between those two extremes. The distribution of planet quality would also need to be skewered. With high value (non home world) orbitals more prevalent in the centre clusters and artificial orbitals being the norm in the outer rim. Again on a graded scale. So the inner rim clusters containing more high valued "planets" than the outer, but less than the core. You can quality assure if you like, I think you see what I am looking for (well, I think some of you might). Generally, the better the competition, the greater the rewards with a slight preference to timely sign-ons (it would be nice to avoid start ups drawing out endlessly as players belay signing up to assure an optimal placement).
jergul Member	Wed May 06 06:56:39 What happened Asgard?
Asgard Member	Wed May 06 07:04:14 Backwater is being gangbanged by 3 empires - me, rlyeh, 5rdrake, and what remains of Ducks. Basically, he is pissed at me for dismissing a NAP offer i initially gave him before he defeated ducks. but he kept silent for 3 ticks, during which I found an alliance to crush him with. He warned me to accept the nap or else, but instead of using his v4 monks to fight off the huge fleets gathering at his expanded cluster, he sent them over to me, to pirate. It seems that he also sent his huge 600FP armada to my cluster, to a planet which had no scanner, but just so it happens, i installed a tk420 scanner just in time, and I see something wicked this way comes... So he actually prefers to utilize his vengeance against me than fighting a real war.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 07:09:49 Beware Asgard The blusterers always go for the team effort. The quieter ones often have style and will accommodate on their own terms if they see a stale mate approaching. My guess is that he has bailed his cluster and will take yours along with some other players.
Asgard Member	Wed May 06 07:13:29 no stalemate approaching, he will soon be dead, his neighbours have already contacted me for NAPS. I guess he knows he is doomed and just went for a ride.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 07:19:48 I would worry more about your neighbours.
Nekran Member	Wed May 06 07:21:02 I might try to get involved in that... asking Rising_Dawn to trade me Consul for Salammirate... would then try to add Baejaras and Aberach, reacing a nice cumulated RER to centralize on Baejaras. Not sending in anything big though obviously and the region is quite cut off from the rest of my little empire. So don't expect me to be decisive in any way there or anything :)
Asgard Member	Wed May 06 14:14:39 I have naps all around, no need to worry. Sure, feel free to join, Nekran. I'm pretty sure Rising Dawn won't have a problem with it.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 14:21:04 I forgot Licker - I was right, you were wrong. Words so sweet they need oft be repeated.
licker Sports Mod	Wed May 06 15:44:06 Ahh... but you were also wrong about what you were right about!
jergul Member	Wed May 06 15:51:11 You have it in reverse. I am right even when wrong.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 16:28:22 Now all I have to do is infuriate licker and I am all set :-).
licker Sports Mod	Wed May 06 16:32:54 wha? You'll be all set in another couple ticks I think :p Seriously though, you've almost turned a corner with Sentrion, don't blow it.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 16:55:52 Woot, I don't have anything left licker. Unless you can wrangle Zpo into letting my arriving fleets live on his planet of course. Turned a corner with Sent? I am bored with fencing with him if that is what you mean. But what did you mean? What truly does amaze me is their inability to discuss the actual content of what I am saying. Rommel is really the only one that gave it a shot and he does not quite get it either. On the bright side, I think they hesitate to report the thread on the off-chance Kira gets it after being forced to read through it. Not that much untoward has been said. But still.
licker Sports Mod	Wed May 06 16:58:49 I mean you are wearing him down, and converting him to a pseudo UPer... I had a brief discussion with him on whether it was correct to use hoard (as i like to term it) or horde for a nozball. Pleasant discussion at least, reminded me of the pointlessness of certain topics here though.
jergul Member	Wed May 06 17:02:25 hehe, exposure. I can hardly take the credit. He does lurk here you know.
licker Sports Mod	Wed May 06 17:04:09 I know. :waves
jergul Member	Wed May 06 17:04:34 Just register Sent. Its an ok place that provides great debate training. A useful skill along with the sharp tongue and thick hide I think you appreciate most of us have. I won't bite your head off on my home turf. I promise.
Seb Member	Wed May 06 18:27:18 My game long ally Farstar is annoying me... <paraphrased> S:"Ok, right, big stealthy meaty fleet, what do you want me to do to co-ordinate defending your arse from dashaile?" F:"I am haing trouble, he has heavy fleets" S:"Well, I liberated Dimet for you... and he's blubbing for a negotiated peace with me now, what do you want me to do? here, see his message, he is threatening to hand over his worlds to you if I keep up the attack" F:"Well, no way would I ever team up with Dashaile against you seb, he's talking shit. He has some heavy fleets, and I am no threat to you" S:"No, I am saying, in WWII terms, you are Ike and I am Monty, it's your call, what strategy do you favour? By the way, you want to send an attack from your HW and that other planet knock out that world where he is..." F:"I'm going to pull everything back to my HW, he has heavy fleets". In the meantime I am playing a game of Diplomacy where my ally keeps (and it is incompetence not malevolance) accidentally talking the people we are trying to kill into doing precise the worst thing possible for our alliance. Sort of the opposite of the conventional way of playing the game. At this point, I throw my hands our, turn my head to they sky and scream: "why am I surrounded by fools!!" -- Licker, what turn does that monk arrive?
Asgard Member	Wed May 06 18:30:02 Seb, let your ally die, and stop supporting him militarily - in exchange for a NAP and a right to retain some of your gains. passivly let him die.
Seb Member	Wed May 06 18:31:49 Jesus, I am playing this game quite badly because I'm fitting moves in quickly whenever bandwidth is high enough (and even then it's nearly dialup level of crap), so I can't keep track of peoples moves, fleets end up going to the wrong place occasionally, And yet I'm still coming at the top end of the CNM players... my region sucks: I should have been killed by now, yet strangely I have Dashaile blubbing for mercy, and my principle ally moaning about heavy fleets. If i actually had a decent ISP and/or time and patience to live with kilobit speeds I should be gutting this region.
Seb Member	Wed May 06 18:33:57 Asgard: I have thought about that, but I also don't want Daschaile getting to big, and ideally I will want some support against Squat and possibly PGHfish. On the other hand, he appears to be a jelly fish. Also getting leery about Haliwali, who i have an informal NAP with. I think you have a point. A strategic review is in order.
licker Sports Mod	Thu May 07 10:04:08 3 ticks to Habeer Seb. That's the thing about the rim, you are likely to start next to semi incompetents, or next to wolves. My suggestion is to tell your ally what to do instead of asking him what he wants you to do. Alternatively just nap with Dashaile (in return for him handing over some systems) and go find someone else to kill.
Seb Member	Thu May 07 13:27:25 licker: I told him what to do, he is not doing it. So, I Figure I want him as a buffer zone between me and Squat until I secure ELO's territory, I will hit Daschaille a few more times, and see if I can disuade Daschaille a bit to give him time to recover, then nap with Dasch.
Seb Member	Thu May 07 13:30:12 "attack his forward base" "I must retreat... he has some heavy fleets..." WTF? He has twice the FP on the two closest worlds that Dashaille has, so Dashaille can not advance, but a two pronged attack would end Dashailles offensive. ARGH.
jergul Member	Thu May 07 17:33:14 Its still fun :-)
nhill Member	Fri May 08 00:42:28 why is jergul's thread locked
jergul Member	Fri May 08 01:14:06 Because Encep and Mac where discussing my toilet habits while I expounded on why I called Mac Medico Quem (medico in the sense of little doctor - Mac being an associate professor with an academic doctorate in social sciences)? Those posts were deleted.
nhill Member	Fri May 08 01:15:20 well, i hope you had fun
jergul Member	Fri May 08 01:20:29 Mac is from Brazil, eh, so I was having great fun pushing all of the latin machismo buttons. Using the word petite instead of small - which happily has the feminine ending in french (the e), so was calling him minute and female in a single careful choice of words :-)
Asgard Member	Fri May 08 05:53:56 That was awesome Licker :)
jergul Member	Sat May 09 08:12:22 lurking licker? No need to feel bad, though things would have been a lot more interesting without the zpo nap or if I had nabbed the HW :-)
licker Sports Mod	Sat May 09 20:58:00 yeah... I was hoping for a better outcome zpo semi lied to me about taking you out at Foundit, i guess he has some denyability, but honestly his 'jergul leaves MY systems alone I'll leave him alone' seemed pretty clear to me. Point being that Hair10s systems are not his systems. I didn't make a case out of it though, one of those things to file away for next time, because the court of public opinion in UC is what it is. Hind sight shows that it would have been more fun to take down Zpo, though I think it would have resulted in my eventual demise. Hair10, Helevius, and Zpo, plus a certain entity to the south who was looking for a new jump off point and being courted by Zpo... Needless to say, I have good communications with that entity as well, but even so, the 3v2 (and you having no production base) would have turned into 4v2 or more (depending on what Zpo allowed other neighbors to do to you). I figured if we could relocate you to Hair10s cluster with a nap with Zpo it would be smoother, as Hair10 has no help coming (since I'm napped up like he is). Oh well, pity I was greedy about saving a tick and having you hit Foundit, but meh, lesson learned I suppose.
jergul Member	Sun May 10 03:29:04 "Oh well, pity I was greedy about saving a tick and having you hit Foundit, but meh, lesson learned I suppose." Heh, I would have argued the point of me taking the HW directly after you with more force if I had actually cared much (a simple risk analysis would have been enough I think - 35% chance of Foundit outcome as we saw it killing 100% of my fleet. The oft cited force preservation goal then dictating I not take it). My Betatesting was done. A common sense of purpose eventually had 7 players involved in my demise and there was not much I could do about it. 7 players being nothing compared to what clans can mobilize, so yah, gangbang protection mechanisms are required (dovetailing neatly with the "superior diplomacy" protection new players need). That I wanted to test out rampant piracy against as many players as possible was just an ad-hoc thing mostly tied to rep building (they may not like me, but by god they are going to remember me). Lessons learned? Well, we now have 2 semi top players who will say or do anything if put under the slightest bit of pressure by their "inferiors". Not you sent.
licker Sports Mod	Mon May 11 09:46:21 I wonder if still well and his coalition of the incompetent (according to Shodan) are reading the forums...
Nekran Member	Mon May 11 10:59:05 Damn was out all weekend and missed a turn of an already taking a turn for the bad Escape from Utopia... let's see what we can salvage :\
licker Sports Mod	Mon May 11 11:19:23 Escape is basically over at this point I think. Someone needs to send me some VC reports though.
Still Well Member	Mon May 11 11:40:59 I haven't been, I've been away for a couple of days. If I have time I might check in later this afternoon. Shodan is correct about the coalition of the incompetent. These people suck. I'm bringing in a couple of more people though. I was seriously surprised to fail my attack on Devnam, but a scanner showed up at the last moment shattering my surprise and he was able to gather enough forces into place to stop my threat on his HW.
nhill Member	Mon May 11 14:18:00 i realized the tick was on saturday and not friday/sunday as I had thought. so i didn't need your services licker also, i completed both my VCs on Escape
licker Sports Mod	Mon May 11 14:32:25 Indeed, check the new thread!
Nekran Member	Mon May 11 15:11:15 I so hate you Seb... was so sure I had it in the bag :(
Seb Member	Tue May 12 10:46:30 licker: Sorry about the queen, fuck up due to very slow internet speeds.
Asgard Member	Tue May 12 12:54:05 It was a very good game, excellent Licker.
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